Subject: »Sokker Questions/Answers

Training

The distribution of individual skills is set for each junior when he comes to your junior team; each individual skill grows proportionally with the overall skill when your junior trains each week. Their talent and the coaches general efficiency determine how fast they develop and whether they will be valuable players after leaving the school. Whether a junior plays or not in a match does not affect his training - he always will get full training.

Important: The distribution of individual skills is set for each junior when he comes to your junior team; each individual skill grows proportionally with the overall skill

I have a good examples from my own case:
Player and his skills after YS: https://prnt.sc/ig9LEg6khEDI
His skill and progress: https://prnt.sc/H73OSateFH3f

So his SS is 35 so that means that he is indeed a 10 (but most likely 11) junior. His starting skill was 3, so that should mean that his SS was around 10. If we do a simple math, 7 pop ups * 3.3 = 23. Divide it with 7 skills (without GK), that should mean that every skill should be at least 3?
Or lets look at this way: stamina+gk+passing+pm=8. So lets say that all those skill were 0 and they popped.
23-8=15, means that other four skills popped almost 4 times? That is not proportional grow if you ask me.

Then imagine a player who appeard as a 7 and left the YS as a 16 junior after 30 weeks. He had a pm skill 1 and popped 9 time in YS. The same applies to other skills except GK which is different than other skills. If the "proportional grow" was real, his pm would be atleast 3/4. Right?

~10% slower

He asked why striker was slower than pace, not the other way around...

But striker, normally, isn't slower...
The pops from pace and striker both depends on decimals! It could be a big difference!

Great, let's all have divine juniors

And all with tragic pace! :-p

adequate stamina adequate keeper
tragic pace excellent defender
weak technique very good playmaker
solid passing excellent striker

Woooow such a nice player for newbies

sack.... *click*

Yes it is :)

i dont like players have get more keeping and stamina

5 weeks ago my unearth junior come
he was come with max talent
But 6 stamina 4 keeper really sick
10 skill points for nothing

My opinion is that stamina deserves to be a full fledged skill, all the way up to superdivine and in the same pace as passing f.e.

But they should also increase the effect of execution of all other skills when players have high stamina!
And make stamina a strength related skill! The more stamina, the more powerfull a player is in duels, in the air, shot and passing power etc...
As for GK...they deserve a separate skill sheet with different skills.
Imo this is how a GK should look like...

stamina - pace
handling - reflexes
positioning - passing

As for field players...
stamina - positioning
pace - defender
technique - passing
set pieces - scoring

The positioning skill should replace the playmaker skill, cause it makes no sence that playmaking is a midfielder only skill
Positioning should be a skill that gives the player the affinity to ''know'' his place within the tactic and position himself in the best possible place according to the match situation. The positioning, passing, scoring and defender skill should all contribute to the effect of the current playmaker skill. But the limitations on all right column skills is ridiculous and doesn't contribute to the game in any way.
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I don't think we need more skills. Positioning is done by experience in defenders, maybe it could be extended to other positions

Imo exp is very undervalued in this game! It has too little influence on the game.

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Judging by how 'well' all the changes are turning out I doubt that changing the whole game engine is a good idea

TBH with such change and other proposed it would turn out to be a completely different game

Also by adding set pieces in place of playmaker you suddenly change the whole player dynamic. It'd be a skill needed by 1 player in team, it would be totally ignored by trainers, while not having to train playmaker (and what exactly would be responsible for playmaker in match engine? it's a crucial skill impacting how players react, how and where they pass etc.)

Positioning as explained already is in the game...and it would be another ignored skill not worth of training
Especially since at some positions LACK of proper positioning is actually a good thing...

Not to mention the fact that making such changes would f... up all the already existing players
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Not to mention the fact that making such changes would f... up all the already existing players


The ME does that job very well right now.
You have triple superdivine strikers with divine tactical discipline in unearthly form and yet they play games against much weaker defenders, losing 90% of the direct duels, shooting 70% outside the goal and getting last in a sprint.
This game as it is now is imo in need of a greater upgrade, cause right now it's having the most dificult time, not to drown in it's own bugsystem.
I have 0% problems with a game that change things to improve it's game experience. Right now, it's getting boring.
If things stay the way they are, I think it's amount of managers will keep on decreasing untill it has shrunk down to a single country game...

And then guess what, we will finally have the ONE league system in the end :D

I have 0% problems with a game that change things to improve it's game experience. Right now, it's getting boring.

I don't see adding "positioning" or "set pieces" to skills list as improving the game experience or solving any problem this game has

the match engine does need changes, sure (doubt they will come though)
at the same time, it's the best there is in online browser gaming and it's FAR better than any that I've seen

The ME does that job very well right now.

this is a different point though
with adding the things that you mention what happens to players that are or were already trained
it won't happen but I'm curious how you'd solve it

You have 28yo TOP mids
suddenly they lose their magical-super divine playmaker

and instead all of them get magical-superdivine set pieces?

you add a new skill positioning and then what happens with all trained players, they get tragic/very good positioning and are f... because they are already past training age?

when you propose something you must remember that it's a game that is already live and working, with players at different stages of career, it's not creating a new game out from scratch

For every problem there is a solution. I don't have all answers, but maybe some. However, we can sit back and wait... no need for anything to happen.
Injury problem...we wait
Economy problem...we wait
ME problem...we wait
NT / U21 problems...we wait
Any problem...we wait

Everybody leaves the game...we wait

Great philosify!
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