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I am just starting with sokker, reading the basic stuff and trying something not stupid. I have a question regarding player value, I'd like to buy some young player, train and reseller (as I think this is the best option to make money), how much should I spend as range? What should I buy as minimal? I plan to train defense, so pace and defense are my top priority. Do I need to buy one with both skills or focus on just one? And which is the minimal level of skills to take into account? Thanks for the one that may help me!
Well, try to buy 18/19 yo.
Def: 7-8
Pace: 6-8
Tech: 6+
Pass: 5+
PM: 5+
5 season training: Pace 2 seasons - Def 2 seasons - secondaries (tech, pass, PM) 1 season.
Def: 7-8
Pace: 6-8
Tech: 6+
Pass: 5+
PM: 5+
5 season training: Pace 2 seasons - Def 2 seasons - secondaries (tech, pass, PM) 1 season.
Thanks for the answer, this really helps a lot.
Other two in my mind:
- tendentially the best is to train for 5 season and sell? For sure at the beginning the improve a lot but with time they will improve slower and slower and this is not the best when you want to make cash quickly
- while I'll train defender, what about Mid and Att? In order to have the team more competitive, do I need to invest also in these two area (if so, how?) or just focus on train and buy defender?
Other two in my mind:
- tendentially the best is to train for 5 season and sell? For sure at the beginning the improve a lot but with time they will improve slower and slower and this is not the best when you want to make cash quickly
- while I'll train defender, what about Mid and Att? In order to have the team more competitive, do I need to invest also in these two area (if so, how?) or just focus on train and buy defender?
Best prices for the players are in their age of 23-24 yo.
There are a lots of strategies right now... but as far as u just begin, focus on training and learning the game.
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There are a lots of strategies right now... but as far as u just begin, focus on training and learning the game.
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If you focus on defenders, in the rest of the lines you could use old players (30+), which are usually very cheap and will give you a good performance
+1. Dont try to train all positions at once as you wont have enough money for coach who can efficiently do that.
Great help for a beginner like me here, thanks to all guys!
Is there some other way on top of the traditional one (asked through the staff section but no answer at all after 5-6 days) to ask for a tutor (some forum section,....)?
I still have a lot of questions and I do not want to spam here too much
Is there some other way on top of the traditional one (asked through the staff section but no answer at all after 5-6 days) to ask for a tutor (some forum section,....)?
I still have a lot of questions and I do not want to spam here too much
...I tried to write something short and by accident I wrote a full tutorial :P
In the beginning you have VERY limited resources, if you want to make good money quickly you need to know what you are doing. I often see users failing to make good profit from transfers, but some others are able to make good money quickly, for example paszua, with these transfers:
Matyáš Blažka
Lew Połącarz
Sabin Alui-Gheorghe
Krystian Koźbiał
All bought for pennies, sold for good money after less than a season. Let's look closer at these transfers:
Common elements:
- fresh juniors from youth school (they all have tactical discipline at 0)
- age 16-18
- initial price <50k euro (<200k pln), usually <25k euro (<100k pln)
- all got one pop in pace and 2-3 pops in defence
- some pops in side skills, on average in 2 out of 3 side skills
- trained for 7 to 11 weeks
- side skills are generally not that high. They don't need to be high for young defenders to be able to sell them for good money, pace+defence is the most important.
You need to hunt for good trainees on a transfer market, sometimes nice young players go for less than 25k and sometimes for similar ones there is a fight at the end of an auction and they go for >250k... You need to monitor transfer market and not to miss your chances at getting good prospects at cheap prices if you want to quickly complete your 10 players for training. Usually a good buy is a player which has a few users interested in him, but no one shows at the end of auction.
Screenshots I posted earlier are from my transfers database, check it out it you want to study prices on a transfer market.
Other things:
- main coach should be unearthly in pace and defending, gk and striker as low as you can get, everything else (stamina, technique, playmaker, passing) preferably high, but not very high (because each skill adds some money to coach wage, and that money increases exponentially with increasing skill value, for example unearthly (16) costs in wage about 4 times as much as outstanding (12) skill). Dream main coach for beginning would be something like that:
12 0
16 16
12 12
12 0
- get 3 cheap assistants, level solid or very good should be fine. For assistants only wage and the main skill matters (or, to be more precise - sum of all of the individual skills).
- do not think about youth school, you don't have money for that
- try to get away friendly matches vs good teams with nice big stadium with seats under roof everywhere, it can be very important income source at the beginning. Might not be possible in the first weeks of the season, as most good teams are playing in cup.
- as others said - for other positions you can cheaply buy some old players that will play on good level, just don't go overboard with them. They can eat a lot of money weekly, and you can't afford that. What I would do: no more then 4k euro (16k pln) wage per each of main old players (you should have 6 of them - 1 gk, 3 mids, 2 att), also one cheaper gk for sub and one cheaper player that could be a sub for mid/att.
- you could also get one older defender as well if you want to get better results, and play your young players like that (1-10 are young defenders, 11 is old defender)
(1) (2) (11) (3) (4) in friendly
(5) (6) (11) (7) (1->2) in 1st league match
(8) (9) (11) (10) (3 -> 4) in 2nd league match
-> means sub after 45 minutes
This way everyone gets at least 96% efficiency training (90 league minutes are enough, 90 friendly minutes + 45 league minutes are also enough)
You could also train some of your defenders in pace with a MID position and then you could add another old player for league matches... but I will let you do the planning for that if you are interested :P
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In the beginning you have VERY limited resources, if you want to make good money quickly you need to know what you are doing. I often see users failing to make good profit from transfers, but some others are able to make good money quickly, for example paszua, with these transfers:
Matyáš Blažka
Lew Połącarz
Sabin Alui-Gheorghe
Krystian Koźbiał
All bought for pennies, sold for good money after less than a season. Let's look closer at these transfers:
Common elements:
- fresh juniors from youth school (they all have tactical discipline at 0)
- age 16-18
- initial price <50k euro (<200k pln), usually <25k euro (<100k pln)
- all got one pop in pace and 2-3 pops in defence
- some pops in side skills, on average in 2 out of 3 side skills
- trained for 7 to 11 weeks
- side skills are generally not that high. They don't need to be high for young defenders to be able to sell them for good money, pace+defence is the most important.
You need to hunt for good trainees on a transfer market, sometimes nice young players go for less than 25k and sometimes for similar ones there is a fight at the end of an auction and they go for >250k... You need to monitor transfer market and not to miss your chances at getting good prospects at cheap prices if you want to quickly complete your 10 players for training. Usually a good buy is a player which has a few users interested in him, but no one shows at the end of auction.
Screenshots I posted earlier are from my transfers database, check it out it you want to study prices on a transfer market.
Other things:
- main coach should be unearthly in pace and defending, gk and striker as low as you can get, everything else (stamina, technique, playmaker, passing) preferably high, but not very high (because each skill adds some money to coach wage, and that money increases exponentially with increasing skill value, for example unearthly (16) costs in wage about 4 times as much as outstanding (12) skill). Dream main coach for beginning would be something like that:
12 0
16 16
12 12
12 0
- get 3 cheap assistants, level solid or very good should be fine. For assistants only wage and the main skill matters (or, to be more precise - sum of all of the individual skills).
- do not think about youth school, you don't have money for that
- try to get away friendly matches vs good teams with nice big stadium with seats under roof everywhere, it can be very important income source at the beginning. Might not be possible in the first weeks of the season, as most good teams are playing in cup.
- as others said - for other positions you can cheaply buy some old players that will play on good level, just don't go overboard with them. They can eat a lot of money weekly, and you can't afford that. What I would do: no more then 4k euro (16k pln) wage per each of main old players (you should have 6 of them - 1 gk, 3 mids, 2 att), also one cheaper gk for sub and one cheaper player that could be a sub for mid/att.
- you could also get one older defender as well if you want to get better results, and play your young players like that (1-10 are young defenders, 11 is old defender)
(1) (2) (11) (3) (4) in friendly
(5) (6) (11) (7) (1->2) in 1st league match
(8) (9) (11) (10) (3 -> 4) in 2nd league match
-> means sub after 45 minutes
This way everyone gets at least 96% efficiency training (90 league minutes are enough, 90 friendly minutes + 45 league minutes are also enough)
You could also train some of your defenders in pace with a MID position and then you could add another old player for league matches... but I will let you do the planning for that if you are interested :P
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Thanks a lot for all this information
I have already started to do some investment buying some players, well not sure if 100% correct but at least I am trying to spend not a lot, so that in case they are not the right one I can do a small gain after 1 season or max 2
I do understand that here planning is critical
on the other hand, little by little, I'll work on the tactics, I plan to be "ready" next season, this I'll use to learn!
I have already started to do some investment buying some players, well not sure if 100% correct but at least I am trying to spend not a lot, so that in case they are not the right one I can do a small gain after 1 season or max 2
I do understand that here planning is critical
on the other hand, little by little, I'll work on the tactics, I plan to be "ready" next season, this I'll use to learn!
Please translate
Kondycja
11
Świetny
Szybkość
17
Boski
Technika
15
Magiczny
Podania
15
Magiczny
Bramkarz
1
Beznadziejny
Obrońca
14
Olśniewający
Rozgrywający
15
Magiczny
Strzelec
8
Solidn
Form
16
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Nieziemski
Dyscyplina Taktyczna
13
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Kondycja
11
Świetny
Szybkość
17
Boski
Technika
15
Magiczny
Podania
15
Magiczny
Bramkarz
1
Beznadziejny
Obrońca
14
Olśniewający
Rozgrywający
15
Magiczny
Strzelec
8
Solidn
Form
16
(-2)
(
Nieziemski
Dyscyplina Taktyczna
13
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In the old rules nobody needed to play in the week, if I trained stamina training.
Well, now. I forgot 2 youthes took into my team, and I woul like to give him stamina.
I took at the Goalkeepers the stamina training. I want stamina training for them without match. Will the get stramina training this week?
This will be a special training another way.
Well, now. I forgot 2 youthes took into my team, and I woul like to give him stamina.
I took at the Goalkeepers the stamina training. I want stamina training for them without match. Will the get stramina training this week?
This will be a special training another way.
what defender would you use for next match?
1
outstanding [12] form
brilliant [14] tactical discipline
height: 173 cm, weight: 68.1 kg, BMI: 22.75
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
unearthly [16] pace superdivine [18] defender
very good [9] technique solid [8] playmaker
very good [9] passing adequate [6] striker
2
incredible [13] form
magical [15] tactical discipline
height: 174 cm, weight: 66.4 kg, BMI: 21.93
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
unearthly [16] pace unearthly [16] defender
incredible [13] technique excellent [10] playmaker
very good [9] passing adequate [6] striker
1
outstanding [12] form
brilliant [14] tactical discipline
height: 173 cm, weight: 68.1 kg, BMI: 22.75
bookings:
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
unearthly [16] pace superdivine [18] defender
very good [9] technique solid [8] playmaker
very good [9] passing adequate [6] striker
2
incredible [13] form
magical [15] tactical discipline
height: 174 cm, weight: 66.4 kg, BMI: 21.93
formidable [11] stamina tragic [0] keeper
unearthly [16] pace unearthly [16] defender
incredible [13] technique excellent [10] playmaker
very good [9] passing adequate [6] striker