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but games only have 90 mins...

haha ,yes,just have a calculate.that means the effect is 90% in league match and 85% in friendly match.(full time)
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Ahh well thanks :) so if i train 2 players 45 mins in a league match and 45mins a fiendly match they'd get 87.5% training?

yes but it also says that the last minutes of a game give less training cause they are tired... so is not that simple

yes ,i think so.

the official numbers are
2 full games = 100%
1 U21 or NT game = 50%

speculative league/friendly numbers
league 80-90%
friendly 70-85%

also training isnt linear. so 45 mins (half a game) does not equate to half training. i.e say league is 90% for full game. 45 minutes isnt 45% training (1/2 of 90), its more like 50-55%

my assumption for the training of keepers is that, as stated, U21 is 50% training. so they have 50% training after playing a game.
after this. they play 45 minutes. which is not a FULL second game for the 100% training. it is only 45 minutes. so they get around 50-55% of the remaining 50%. so an additional 25-30%
hence 50% from U21, + 30% from 45 mins league/friendly game

players must play 2 full games for 100% training

90 mins isn't 100% training. so i don't know how you got 60mins of playing time to equal 75% it would be closer to 55-60% of training

i said it was 75% of the remaining training if you re-read what i said and do the math.

if they just played 1 game, for 60 mins then yes. .75 x 85 = 63.75% training in my opinion. approx. i wont argue that it would be 55%-60% either.

my argument is that once they reach the 50% mark from the U21 game. from the 50-100% training is a new graph as such, generated by how much they play in your team. so they gain that % of the remaining % training and add it to the U21 training gained.

its better to play 45 mins league + 45 mins friendly than 90 mins league or 90 mins friendly.

linen is only giving estimate numbers also. i personally think its ~75%for friendly and ~85% for league game. there is noticeable difference imo and also noticeable when player plays 2 games per week.

so playing 3 sub trainees at 45 mins each game Friendly+league) is best for training. but if there is an injury in the e.g 50th min you have no more subs = bad :)
i use 1 sub at 45 min for this extra training :)
also note cup game = official game. so its same training as league game (85% or the higher number)
100% training = 2 full games.

also training isnt linear. so 45 mins (half a game) does not equate to half training. i.e say league is 90% for full game. 45 minutes isnt 45% training (1/2 of 90), its more like 50-55%

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friend,are you sure?i heard that first time...

he's unaware of his own % frenzy, that's all. he's putting % with his own training habitude as reference, there's nothing official about that though. it's more like the people who say they give 110 up to -insert figure here- % when trying to convince someone about their effort. it sounds fashionable but it's nonsense because it can never be more than 100% effort :p

so when he's saying that 2 full trainings would equal 100%, regard it as his free interpretation of a figure which is more like amongst the line of something like 110 % in total because although the designers leave it up for the users to decide how to divide their training time they never wanted to create a game where it's normal to play with just 11 players all the time. that's a user's invention in an attempt to exploit the system, for some it will work but some will complain about the amount of injuries ... these programmers did their homework but don't share everything when it comes to the real numbers, for a user in short the advice is: go 'figure' :p
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its better to play 45 mins league + 45 mins friendly than 90 mins league or 90 mins friendly.

It is confirmed by greg, that this is not true. Of course 45 minutes give more than 50% training of 90 minutes, but 2x45 minutes (in the same match type) gives exactly the same training than 1x90 minutes.
For the calculation of the training, first the minutes played are added and then the training effect is calculated, not the other way round (there's only one training update, not two for both matches).

edit: here's one thing greg said about that:

2011-02-09 11:46:50
greg to mauser
once you said that playing 2 times 45 minutes is a little bit more training than 1 time 90 minutes, because training is not linear.

I don't remember I said that, training is not linear, of course, but 2x45 minutes in offcial matches is the same as 90 minutes.

I might said, that 45 minutes is more training than half of 90 minutes training.
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very interesting comment there. never seen it. guess that changes things...

still in that regard
"I might said, that 45 minutes is more training than half of 90 minutes training"

still an important comment

I might said, that 45 minutes is more training than half of 90 minutes training

That comment has been misinterpreted by many users (including you and me). To put it in a more symbolic way:

If you consider trainingeffect as a function of minutes played, this is what one could think training will be calculated (let's assume for simplicity there is only cup and league):

trainingeffect = trainingeffect for league match (minutes played in league match) + training effect for cup match (minutes played in cup match)

both trainingeffect functions being nonlinear, maybe looking something like a logarithm. With this model you will get a higher training effect with 2x45 minutes, than with 1x90 minutes. However this model seems to be unlogical, because there would actually be two training updates, one for legaue and one for cup.

This is what training probably works in reality:

trainingeffect = trainingeffect (minutes played in league match + minutes played in cup match)

again, trainingeffect being a suitable non-linear function. Then it doesn't matter if it is 2x45 minutes, or 30+60 minutes, etc.

This is how I understand training now. Makes it easier to see, that it is more logical that it doesn't matter if you split playing time over two official matches for training. To be honest, I also thought that 2x45 gives more training than 1x90 untill ten months ago ;)

And do you think with my incom of 50k per week without any games played would be enough to train goalkeepers at a good level?

Yes for Gk's you can train with minimal income. I trained keepers for 3-4 seasons when i started playing this game and it worked great. Trained to magical and made about 3-4 mln euros after 2 years from 1 gk :) so 6-8mln euros in 2 seasons for 2 gk's.

train def or strike.more easily and more profit.