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on pace ;)

how is Uzulmez doing? :)

Well, I understand now. After I have read again the conversations, because I was annoyed that you are repeating the same thing, like an answering machine, and I didn't understand why, after it hit me.

You do not know how to calculate a player talent, you take the amount of time between a level and assimilate with the player talent.

The screen above, for you it looks like talent 2, because you take the amount of time between 2 full levels, but that is an ancient method, you will never be right with that "formula".

Let me show you how a player talent is calculated. You start counting the weeks after his first improvement til the last improvement. Above we have 9 weeks of trainings with 6 improvements. 9/6=1.5. So the player talent is 1.5, not 2.
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He's a monster ;)

No you can not work that way. Because training of passing is faster then pace. Because lower skills are faster then high skills, Because younger players train faster then older players.

There is only one real 'talent' in sokker that is an absolute number, and that is youthtalent.

Training results should be converted to youth talent.

And how do you calculate the youth talent? Isn't the same forumula like above?

So tell me, how can you be so sure about a player talent if you don't really know it? if a player improves like this: 9 - - 10 - - 11 - - -12, for you it looks like talent 4 from 11 to 12? but what if the players was like this: 9.80 - - 10.30 - - 11.40 - - - 12.01. (Just a fictive example, the point is that you will never know the value of the bold ones, so basically you will never know the talent of the player based on that "formula".
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I was annoyed that you are repeating the same thing, like an answering machine

No, i didnt even interfere in that topic, it was you who discovered the talent 1 player at pace from 10 to 11, and told us that you're doing deep researches in sokker and you know everything and we're all clueless :) That's why i replied here, cause it was kinda funny to see you here asking for advice, after all that happened in the romanian forum.

The screen above, for you it looks like talent 2.

Huh? I dont even care about its talent, we are talking about talent-under-3 at pace from 10-11, dont we?

Youthtalent from junior team?

Almost, but a bit more mathematical.

But it can only be used for youth, not for training, because that does not make any sense. The nice thing of youth is that it is a nice line, every week the youthplayer get as much training as the last week. (same coach the whole time)

But for training that is not the case. training matters, time matters, age matters, type of match matters, ao many things that have influense that you need all this information to evaluate the talent of a player. For youth you only need weekly numbers and skill of the youthcoach... that's it.

9.80 - - 10.30 - - 11.40 - - - 12.01

can not be... it can not be +0,5 + 0.9 While on a skill, same age, same coaches, same amount of minutes, same type of matches, it is the same per week. Skill levels up, it slow down, age up, it slow down, other type of match, slowsup or raise up.

with enough data you can find out, i use as much as possible 2 pops that are on general. (Not needed that it is the first and the second, can be first and fourth too, that is not important.

then i count time played and type of matches. coaches etc

it is a very big excelsheet indeed, that does the calculation, based on that i can find out talent after i have enough pops. (or if i have those 2 general pops on one skill, that is also enough)
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sorry, I do not understand?

youthtalent is talent in junior team indeed. That is the number the player keeps all the time during his career.

/edit: But i put enough in this subject, so this was the last comment on this subject. do with it what you like, or do not believe what i explained. I realy can not care ;)
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That you're doing deep researches in sokker and you know everything and we're all clueless .

Well, as I said in the prev page, copy and paste the message wehre I said publicly that I'm doing deep researches in sokker, just to refresh my memory.

you know everything and we're all clueless

Yes, the Romanian users are clueless, who did all the tests on the forum and come with a result after pages full of nonsenses.

Huh? I dont even care about its talent, we are talking about talent-under-3 at pace from 10-11, dont we?

So basically, you cannot make an apposite comment like wybo, you understand only what you want, I don't know why do I still reply to your nonsenses.
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But that also depends on the level of junior coach and still fluctuates like hell. :(

You didn't take into consideration that a player doesn't have only years, has days too, more exactly 112 if I counted them well when I did the math. So basically a player in week 1 will improve faster than another player with the same talent in JS, at the same skill, etc in week 14.

This is why I mentioned that the divine player was pulled out in week 1.
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I think it's kinda useless to talk about talent 2 or 3 in "normal" training, since it is exponential and there are too many factors influencing it, like age, coaches, number of subskill, type of skill (pace, passing and other skills are all different), type and minutes in match, possibly even 1st and 2nd half trains differently..plus there could be some uknown coefficent nobody knows about..
The only talent that could be measured properly was the one in old youth system, where the maximum was around 3.15 I think. This number probably didn't change in the new system, but nowdays it's impossible to evaluate it accurately..
There are too many uknown factors to calculate any relevant number..
There is a reason greg implemented the new junior system with unpredictible talent..he just doesn't want anyone to know anything about talent..so stop trying :-)

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I think it's kinda useless to talk about talent 2 or 3 in "normal" training, since it is exponential and there are to many factors influencing it
The only talent that could be measured properly was the one in old youth system, where the maximum was around 3.15 I think - someone estimated it as pi
but, in my opinion, the talent and the time between two pops are different things. While talent is a fixed (unfortunately, unknown) number, the time between pops is a function in talent, playtime and type of matches played, staff, age and skill level.