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I'd say much more. If we take these numbers
90 min league: 90% (of full training)
90 min NT: 45%

He has
70 min NT -> 35%
45 min league -> 45%

So in total 80%

I took this numbers, even higher numbers (used 50% per NT match) but I do not agree with simple calculation You use
I would say it is:
70 mins of NT -> 1 (starting max training factor) * 0.5 (nt match factor) * 7/9 (70 mins played) = 39%
45 mins of league match as additional second match -> 0.5 (the rest of training factor calculated pretty simply but no place to explain it here) * 0.9 (league match factor) * 0.5 (he will play half of a game) = 22,5%

so a little more than 60%, but that's only my presumption

You are probably right that it's not linear. Otherwise one league game and few friendly minutes would be enough for full training. I think your "penalty" for the second match is too harsh though (but I can't back that up).
Intuitively I'd say that the given scenario should end up with at least 70% of full training.
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Id say that it's smth like 0,9(league training)*0,5(league minutes) = 0,45
1 - 0,45 = 0,55 remaining possible training
0,55 * 0,45(NT training) * 7/9(NT minutes) + 0,45 = 0,64 so around the same.

That would mean a player who plays 45 min league + 45 min friendly trains less than one with 90 min friendly? I'm not sure.

I would say that 45 of friendly + 45 of league is 48.5%
and full friendly is 70%
at least, my calculations would say so

@xineon
I almost agree. I used almost the same calculation method. The only difference is that I don't use minutes played to calculate next match factor, I use them only for single match so IMO remaining possible training after first match would be 1-0.9=0.1
so in summary
1 * 0.9 * (45/90) = 0.45
(1-(1*0.9)) * 0.5 * (70/90) = 0.038
so 0.488 in summary
but if it would be calculated reversed then
1 * 0.5 * (70/90) = 0.389
(1-(1*0.5)) * 0.9 * (45/90) = 0.225
so 0.614 in summary

However maybe the minutes played should also be involved while calculating next match factor. I don't know.

I would say that 45 of friendly + 45 of league is 48.5%


Only?!!!! And I wanted dokovic to play with hung like that..half of league and then half of friendly. Lack of training place for me. But if thats a case I need to put them 90 minutes of league..somehow.

If the training would be simply linear sum then there would be no point of playing players more than 90+~15mins of friendly and NT+friendly alone would be over full training but I doubt that it works that way(I have absolutely no number to prove me being right).

Years ago there was discussion about training % somewhere in the forum(probably in this topic?) and it had the same idea we suggest, doesnt remember if they had any numbers to prove it.

Have never trained less than 90+less than 90 for a prolonged time so cant tell if its effective or not.

Hi,

Tiemen Gheltiere, age: 31
http://sokker.org/player/PID/28918409

When was the player injured in this match (http://sokker.org/comment/matchID/32652644) ?

it was easy injured. :) he played all 90min :)

when did they fix timer.... :( now you cant make it end 1,5 second before time, now its like 0,5 sec only... :/

I really really don't know where you found that kind of information??
This is what's literally in the rules:

A player who played in the same position (ie, as a def) twice during the week will train better than one who played in only one game. Similarly, a player who played in an official match will train better than one who just played in a friendly. If a player played in two different positions during the week, the last match counts. The benefit of playing a player with the same match order twice is small - they will receive near full training by playing 1 match. If they play only in an international, they will receive around 50% of the normal training. Players do not receive training in extra time as they are too tired.

The differences in training effectiveness resulting from player’s appearances during the week are small. A player who played in one friendly only, will have only slightly less effective training than the one from the first team line-up. The difference is even smaller for a player that played in two games instead of just one.

So if a player plays 45 minutes in league match that results in a definite 45% training.
The 70 minutes NT results in 17.5% training.
Together it'll be 62.5% training.
You must see it like this:
A full league match + 40 minutes NT = 100% training!
A full NT match gives 22.5% training!
So a full NT match and a full friendly match also = 100% training.
Next factor are the coaches. All unearthly coaches will result in a true 100% training. The less the coaches are, the more % of training your players will loose from their true 100%
Following is the talent and lastly their age. The better the talent and the lower their age, the higher their training %
And that's about all there is to say about it :-)

You must see it like this:
A full league match + 40 minutes NT = 100% training!
No. If You would read my posts and know math a little then You would know that 100% is impossible to get calculating training in my/xineon way. In simple words, one official match would give 90%, two 99%, three - 99.9% and so on. Maybe xineon assumptions are better than mine (they are both similar, mine just exclude one thing). In this way of training calculations, every next match training is multiplied by the rest of possible training (which is initially 1 and lowers with every match added to training calculations).

If they play only in an international, they will receive around 50% of the normal training.
Yes, I agree, quoting myself: (used 50% per NT match)

A player who played in one friendly only, will have only slightly less effective training than the one from the first team line-up. The difference is even smaller for a player that played in two games instead of just one.
I also agree, which my calculation implies. I assume that friendly is worth 0,7 and official is worth 0,9 of training. As You can see the difference here is 0,2. And in case of two matches (friendly+official) it is 0,07 (in comparison to single official) which is less than 0,2 (the smaller difference).

Next factor are the coaches.
Coaches might be next step in calculating exact amount of training the player will get, but coaches and player potential are not the matters we were discussing here.

I believe that simple linear growth of training up to maximum of 100% is not what we are dealing with here. I think it is more like exponential. Some simple formula which implies assumption that 100% will never be exceeded hence it does not need to be checked every time. This is what xineon marked as remaining possible training.
However all in all, these are just presumptions. Maybe presumptions which sounds logical and which match sokker but still nothing I have proof of.

That means my player has been injured in end of match??!

Not necessary, there is a thin line at 7 and 8 days injury. Sometimes in the game 'it looks' like a light injury, but after it, it will be +7 or even +8.

For small injuries, sometimes you have to watch the match, it is not always in the report.

Friendly 0.75 i think