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There is logical explanation too many games per week. Too many injuries. To many bad decisions that affect random in ME so on top .
If you are a good coach does not mean you will win the election so you have to chose your fight wisely no waste time in forum nonsense..

I can tell u that most people that left in sokker stay for NT...

that's a totally ridiculous idea :D
barely anyone follows the NT or watches the games, people don't even want to vote, 0-2 people want to coach each NT, and you're saying that MOST PEOPLE stay here for NT? :DD

you have 92 users in Bulgaria
3 (three!!) votes in main NT
0 candidates in u21

what makes You think that people play sokker for National Teams? :D

You can win election with 1 vote and 92 votes it's same think
We already know who will be u21 coach ..
So see u make assumptions on data that do not matters..

Give me your data

what makes you think that people care about National Teams and most people (at least over 5000) stay here just for NT. I'm listening :-)

as for this:
You can win election with 1 vote and 92 votes it's same think

2800 users in Poland
2 candidates in u21

76 votes

that's something around 2.5% interest
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I think NT voting is very well in hidden in this game and not user friendly at all.

In Belgium there are quite some users (out of the active user group on forum) that are interested in training Belgian players to help our National teams.

But the ratio active vs non active forum users is very low in this game. You have to know where to look before you can find anything related to the NT's
But I'm convinced there's more potential in NT's, if the devs decide to make it more accessible...

In this time and day, NT's aren't very popular everywhere.
In Belgium there is some interest, but nothing crazy ¯⁠\⁠_⁠ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ⁠_⁠/⁠¯

I agree, the 'training for NT' part is true - some people like it
Although there might be an even bigger group of people who dislike NTs and don't want their players to be called to NT and play, they refuse to give skills

I would also be surprised if there were more than 15 people actually watching NT games in Poland most weeks

Of course there are some that are deeply invested in NT/u21...but those are the same people for years, just exchanging countries. It's a very, very small group.

In Poland we can't actually get anyone from league 1-4 to take part in u21 elections, nobody cares...we have candidates from 5th and 6th league...
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i do not need to give you anything:) im just saying to you that if you do not vote does not mean you are not interested in your NT or any other NTs... so your assumption is wrong

people are not bored from the NT they are generally bored from too many games and lack of time for proper attention on NT and stupid decisions of devs in general

my data is communication in the forum and how people train NT players
yes, we have 92 users on paper but probably 20 of them are already bots probably 20 of them log in once in a while some of them log in only to see their nt prospects...

you do not expect from me to give you list name by name for users that care for NTs do you :)

in big countries is quite different

Ok

So "most people stay here because of NT"

but "most of those people don't care to vote for NT coach"

and "almost nobody cares to candidate for NT"

that's perfectly logical, I agree - I don't need your data, everything is clear now!

yes, that's correct :)
- not voting does not mean you do not care
- if you do not have a chance to win you do not apply but this does not mean you do not have an interest in NT
- my data is in the forum you can go in the forum how many users posted in interest to train NT players or follow games
- my data is how many users train 10 slots with nt players ...

but just to prove borkos007 i will not spend time providing you such stats ..

You say that there is no interest in the NT because there is only 1 candidate? perhaps you can not think that there is simply a community that already determines in another way that is not the votes, who will be the DT of the NT

I'll clarify so it makes more sence...

So "most people stay here because of NT"

Yes. Most people are bored of the game and search for alternative ways to keep an interest so they would stay. The NT / U21 groups are more than often the main reason they do decide to stay, rather than to quit.

but "most of those people don't care to vote for NT coach"

It's still a game and the voting process is, as stated multiple times now, hidden from the casual user (which is the biggest group in sokker)
You can say the exact same about sokker as a game too... There's 6 billion people on the planet and at least 10% loves football in one or another way.
Yet, only 10k users, worldwide, are playing the game. So updates and upgrades are useless...

The biggest problem with games is that they do not support the gamers in their gaming experience. The gamers' mindset and friends do that!
This counts for the NT / U21 teams also.
So 10% likes the NT...then what? delete NT's?

and "almost nobody cares to candidate for NT"

Supporters are not motivated to coach. But they want to support their country
Irl countries have millions of NT fans! How many of them are willing to coach though? It's 2 very distinctive differences.

In sokker NT position is voluntary job. And most of the time you are criticized from people that never led an NT.
Scouting tactics without proper tools is pain in the ass...
So it's normal people to not have much desire to lead NT..
Adding the fact that ME is full with bugs and tons of injuries waiting on corner even every Friday it's pretty obvious why...
But this does not mean that communities do not have still high demands and expectations..

Yes. Most people are bored of the game and search for alternative ways to keep an interest so they would stay.

why do you think that they ("most people, so more than 50% of users") stay because of NT. Everything points to other parts of game, even such as training.

I'd say that most stay because they already play for years, don't want to leave their team + Thursday training updates. Definitely not for NT.

It's still a game and the voting process is, as stated multiple times now, hidden from the casual user (which is the biggest group in sokker)

if someone doesn't know where the voting takes place then they sure as hell don't know the results of NT and aren't interested in it, it's the same main NT page :-DD

if casual user is the biggest group (by far, I agree) then the casual user who doesn't care about NT can't stay due to interest in NT...it's logical

Yet, only 10k users, worldwide, are playing the game. So updates and upgrades are useless...

well duh, of course. it's a niche game.
updates and upgrades are useful for owners because they want to keep making money from the game, that's the whole purpose of sokker.

that's also why for years there were no updates and why the game almost went out of business
the old users didn't want to invest since they were getting money anyway, they also didn't want to invest in rewriting the game out of flash because it'd take a lot of time to get the money back

So 10% likes the NT...then what? delete NT's?

I think it's less than 10%
but why delete, who says so? I was just laughing at the idea that most of sokker users stay here because of NT

Supporters are not motivated to coach. But they want to support their country
Irl countries have millions of NT fans! How many of them are willing to coach though? It's 2 very distinctive differences.

hahah if you give the offer, who wouldn't want to coach their National Team? It's an amazing job :D

problem is, it's for the highest 1% of coaches
and the millions of NT fans don't even have to lowest coaching badge, so they can't coach :D

Here everyone can be NT coach, sometimes you just need to candidate and be the user with longest playing time, you don't even have to get a vote, because nobody votes :D
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I'm not sure how is in Poland but you can do one experiment go in any south american forum and do a poll how many people care for NT or maybe Turkey but all this spam started from your false statement. If I had time I would give you complete list from Bulgaria who is here just for NT and most .. can you just once admit that maybe someone else is right?

In our country forum, 7-8 peoples write on the national team page, and nobody cares as much as they used to.

Impossible, most people play sokker only for NT :))