Subject: lost

"For example that Ben the others and Richard say they worked for Jakob and answered to Jakob for a long time, while Ben later said that Jakob never spoke to him."

Well the others have never seen or spoken to him, that's established in The Man Behind The Curtain. Richard clearly has met Jacob but we don't know how often and Jacob has also said that he didn't want contact with anyone on the island. Now as for Ben, he admits that Jacob has never spoken to him but that only means that Jacob hasn't communicated verbally, as seen there are other ways.

In one episode he said that he also used to have dreams. So Ben must have worked for either side through those dreams and visions.

Well there's your answer to the question above.

"That he is with Richard, that probably never worked for MiB, that he had control of the temple and all shows that it must have been Jakob he worked for."

It's entirely possible that Richard thinks Jacob has been communicating with Ben, because that's what Ben says but unknowingly, Ben has actually been getting his orders from Smokey for some time, the runway being a prime example. Smokey has deliberatly not spoken directly to Ben because he knew that one day a candidate would come along that would inspire jealousy in Ben. From the moment Locke turned up, Smokey has done everything possible to make him look special so Ben would kill him and Smokey could take his body.

That's plausible. The only logical flaw then is why did Jacob not do something against this (probably long enduring) manipulation of Ben, it must have been obvious for him, he could have used Richard as a counter-weight. After all I am quite sure that Ben thought it is Jakob giving him those orders, what should have made it easy to counter.
And why did MIB not get rid of the temple or the sonic fence long ago? Controlling Ben meant he could have controlled everything on the island anyway.

But then again it is just a tv-series anyway. And they made quite a good job with confusing millions of viewers over years without them having a majority of people already predicting correctly what is going on.

Jacob doesn't interfere, even when Ben had a knife in his hand he never attempted to stop him. He explained why to Richard.
The Temple wasn't surrounded by ash until Jacob died because he was protecting them up until that point. What's strange is that once Dogen died, the ash no longer worked. Also if Smokey tells Ben to lower the fence or attack the temple (which he can't do anyway because of Jacob) then Ben would likely become suspicious of why his leader is telling him to attack his own people.

He FIRST didn't interfere. But as you can see in Richards episode the idea of influencing more directly was planted in his head back then. And he did, by granting Richards wish for not having to die/age. So I am quite sure he also did interfere later on. Many things that are different between the two timelines could be because of the lack of influence by jakob. But of course you could argument, that maybe it would have been the influence of MIB as well. What would of course lead to more questions, because if he already could have influence while captured on the island, then it is not really a lot of use to inprison him. Hmm....

I am not sure if the temple could not be attacked because of jacob being alive. Do they tell that somewhere? But well, the temple seems to be quite useless anyway (well apart from it having a pool that can make you into a monster if you let it heal your wounds.. like with Ben :P). Ben does not seem to be someone that really thinks about a thing too long. He killed his father and many people at the purge. He even seemed to have intended to have Goodwin killed so he could have Juliet for himself. Okay, he is just acting selfishly, but still I think if MIB would have told him to switch of that thingy, he probably would have done that. But well that is speculation.

I'm gonna make a quick predction for the episode starting in 5 minutes. Desmond will kill Widmore or Widmore will cause the death of Des. Those two just can't get along.

Oh and what happened to Des when the hatch exploded will be explained. Maybe with the confirmation that Desmonds flashes were Smokey's doing.
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Hmmm very interesting.

So, on an entirely unrelated note, has anyone here seen and perfectly understood Donnie Darko? ;)

I don't remember much, but I never got why the hell he gets back to the moment were the plane loses the engine that was supposed to kill him, I mean that have already happened and he didn't do anything to get back in time, it was like a loop, like everyhing was happening 1 thing after the other, Donnie is saved by the bunny, he discovers the bunny was 1 of he guys of he party in disguise, Donnie realized that the world would end if he didn't die, so he gets back to his bed to be killed by the airplane engine.
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It has been a while for me too but I thought he would die not for the world but especially because then Gretchen and Frank would not be killed. But well.. I don't think you can "completely understand" such things, this kind of "art" - actually I think nothing is completely understandable.

Haven't seen the episode yet. I hope it is worth it :D I now watched all episodes until season 6 again. Quite a lot of things that I didn't remember so clearly and it is quite different if you watch it again with your knowledge, sometimes better, because you can speculate more correctly, sometimes worse, because there really are episodes where you now know, that everything that happens is completely insignificant.
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Loved that episode. Not a lot more I can say about it ;) :)

It has been a while for me too but I thought he would die not for the world but especially because then Gretchen and Frank would not be killed. But well.. I don't think you can "completely understand" such things, this kind of "art" - actually I think nothing is completely understandable.

Hehe, S.Darko is even more confusing, there are 3 different time lines. :P

Last chapter was amazing!!!! Best season's chapter!!!!

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It leaves me the feeling like both timelines are crossingover forming a loop like in the infinite symbol.

Great episode- finally found time to watch it! :-D

It seems the shutters between the two timelines are collapsing slowly - certainly the LA-scenes are getting more interesting. They were a bit boring in the beginning IMHO...

Yes, now it will unfold. In the beginning I think the intention was to show a "good" life for the losties to give us the impression that it is a happy end or something.

Great season so far. Episodes with Locke Richard and Desmond centrics are definately in my top10-lost episodes ever and the one with sawyer and the pilot are close to it. I am happy :D

I think you've 2 more episodes before things come apart. Once all the candidates have taken sides (Hurley tomorrow night and Jack the week after) we'll find out what the game is.
As for the Alt line, Christ knows what's going to happen now. We know that Desmond is about to open the eyes of the 815 but what happens then is anyone's guess.

Here's a question, which timeline would be the happy ending? Because once we know that, we know which line is coming to an end. The Donnie Darko reference I made last week was because I think we're seeing something similar, a person or group of people being manipulated into destroying a world that shouldn't exist.

As for tomorrow, don't be surprised if Hurley joins Smokey or refuses to take sides anymore. It seems logical that Jack is the chosen one and as he's the last recruit, it'll be his job to keep Kate from leaving, which will keep Sawyer from leaving.

I have a question. Why weren't Hurley or Sayid touched by Jacob before they got to the island?

well if you watch what the episodes are called then there is one that does give an impression what timeline probably will not survive and the other thing I would say that it is quite clearly one timeline crashing into the other one while Sun seems to be the only person where it is not this way. It would be lame if Jack was the last candidate. I think it will be Lapidus and Illana centric episodes and that they will give more insight than expected. And I would be surprised to see that Aaron is left completely out of it. But well, speculation of course. I would be quite bored if there was another Jack-centric episode.

I also wouldn't be surprised if hurley doesn't want to take sides. But that also means, that MIB cannot win IF he is one of his candidates as well (and I think they have same lists).

Hmm touched or not touched, that is the question. Maybe we haven't seen it yet?
He did touch hurley though. In Episode 5x17.