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Subject: United States: Election Time
so a caterpillar is a butterfly? :)
an infant is an old man?
if you don't use condoms, I can prove you that your sperm and your women's eggs are a man...awesome logic :-)
an infant is an old man?
if you don't use condoms, I can prove you that your sperm and your women's eggs are a man...awesome logic :-)
so a caterpillar is a butterfly? :)
an infant is an old man?
Well, give them time. Why are you so impatient? ;)
if you don't use condoms, I can prove you that your sperm and your women's eggs are a man...awesome logic :-)
Well, give them time. Oh, sorry. That doesn't work in this case. It takes much more than that. ;)
an infant is an old man?
Well, give them time. Why are you so impatient? ;)
if you don't use condoms, I can prove you that your sperm and your women's eggs are a man...awesome logic :-)
Well, give them time. Oh, sorry. That doesn't work in this case. It takes much more than that. ;)
You're the hillbilly version of Rubinho.
He's conservative, I'm libertarian. Don't insult me.
(Although I partly (I've explained what I think about abortion) agree with him on this topic.)
He's conservative, I'm libertarian. Don't insult me.
(Although I partly (I've explained what I think about abortion) agree with him on this topic.)
Hopefully laws for abortion extend and developp in many countries step by step as rights for women have developped for the same time... Humanity goes in the right way... The killers of freedom as Sasha's speech will become useless in some years... Hopefully :-)
Yes, they are. And if you don't kill them, I can prove that.
Ok, useless discussion
Ok, useless discussion
Exercise of freedom at the expense of other people is called violence.
And anyway, you call yourself tolerant and you make physical threats because of exchange of opinions!? Yeah right, you're a real "freedom fighter"...
Also, you fail to recognize that, even though Catholics really do perceive unborn babies as persons, they still don't use nor advocate violence to defend those unborn people. Violence is usually justified means to save lives. We don't use it in this case because we accept that it is caused by ignorance. If that isn't tolerant, then I don't know what is. And instead of recognition, we usually get physical threats to change our minds!?
Here, you can join this group of "freedom fighters" and vent your frustration against "freedom killers":
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/video-catholics-assaulted-spat-upon-and-spray-painted-as-they-defend-cathed.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
And anyway, you call yourself tolerant and you make physical threats because of exchange of opinions!? Yeah right, you're a real "freedom fighter"...
Also, you fail to recognize that, even though Catholics really do perceive unborn babies as persons, they still don't use nor advocate violence to defend those unborn people. Violence is usually justified means to save lives. We don't use it in this case because we accept that it is caused by ignorance. If that isn't tolerant, then I don't know what is. And instead of recognition, we usually get physical threats to change our minds!?
Here, you can join this group of "freedom fighters" and vent your frustration against "freedom killers":
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/video-catholics-assaulted-spat-upon-and-spray-painted-as-they-defend-cathed.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
Lol, Catholics using violence in any case would make me laugh so hard...:D
Useless speech as usual with you... Abortin si the right fo freedom... You kill the freedom. You act violently to by telling aborters are killers because you see only your point of view as i already said... I don't care if catholics wants to avoid abortion from their dogms... But you are enemies of laws by attacking those who use abortion for phsical and psychological health, and freedom behaviour. As soon as freedom for women rights are developping, your dogms will die... :-)
What about this french young adult who went to tribunal against his mother because she gave him life?
He was heavy handicaped and want suicide but couldn't because of his handicap ....
I have no sure opinion about but it's ... surprizing isn't it.
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He was heavy handicaped and want suicide but couldn't because of his handicap ....
I have no sure opinion about but it's ... surprizing isn't it.
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Also, you fail to recognize that, even though Catholics really do perceive unborn babies as persons, they still don't use nor advocate violence to defend those unborn people
As you seem good to make some researches in gogle, you will find easily pro lifers groups and anti abortion groups attacking violently clinics... Commando IVG in France are well known for that as i'm sure you know them ;-)
So please use more your brain instead of writing always biased speech that arrange your dogm :-)
As you seem good to make some researches in gogle, you will find easily pro lifers groups and anti abortion groups attacking violently clinics... Commando IVG in France are well known for that as i'm sure you know them ;-)
So please use more your brain instead of writing always biased speech that arrange your dogm :-)
Abortin si the right fo freedom... You kill the freedom.
It's a balance of two freedoms actually: 1) the freedom of the mother to do with her body what she wants and 2) the freedom of the child to live. Whatever the result is, freedom is killed. So it's not a choice of whether you kill freedom of not, it's a choice of what freedom you kill. I believe in most cases (I've already said in which cases it isn't) the latter freedom is the more important one, you prefer the first one.
Compare it with this: killing a person is forbidden. Ergo the freedom is killed (:p) here. Why? Because the freedom of killing someone is balanced with the freedom of that person to live and obviously, the latter freedom is the more important one.
And don't pretend you're such a big fan of freedom. If that were the case, you'd be libertarian ;-)
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It's a balance of two freedoms actually: 1) the freedom of the mother to do with her body what she wants and 2) the freedom of the child to live. Whatever the result is, freedom is killed. So it's not a choice of whether you kill freedom of not, it's a choice of what freedom you kill. I believe in most cases (I've already said in which cases it isn't) the latter freedom is the more important one, you prefer the first one.
Compare it with this: killing a person is forbidden. Ergo the freedom is killed (:p) here. Why? Because the freedom of killing someone is balanced with the freedom of that person to live and obviously, the latter freedom is the more important one.
And don't pretend you're such a big fan of freedom. If that were the case, you'd be libertarian ;-)
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What about this french young adult who went to tribunal against his mother because she gave him life?
He was heavy handicaped and want suicide but couldn't because of his handicap ....
I have no sure opinion about but it's ... surprizing isn't it.
It's called euthanasia. If you are terminal ill, in great pain or in such an uncomfortable life situation (like a heavy handicap), you can choose to let somebody help you to commit suicide if you can't do it yourself. We have that in Belgium (although I don't know the exact conditions to make euthanasia a possible option).
This (euthanasia) is totally different from abortion as euthanasia happens with consent of the person who dies.
He was heavy handicaped and want suicide but couldn't because of his handicap ....
I have no sure opinion about but it's ... surprizing isn't it.
It's called euthanasia. If you are terminal ill, in great pain or in such an uncomfortable life situation (like a heavy handicap), you can choose to let somebody help you to commit suicide if you can't do it yourself. We have that in Belgium (although I don't know the exact conditions to make euthanasia a possible option).
This (euthanasia) is totally different from abortion as euthanasia happens with consent of the person who dies.
Much more entertaining in here than in those US TV-duels :) *popcorn*
Yes but the matter is putting his mum in justice for his own birth!
It's a balance of two freedoms actually: 1) the freedom of the mother to do with her body what she wants and 2) the freedom of the child to live
It is the case as soon as the embryo is consider as a conscious person... If you agree the catholic rule for example, then it is normal to see catholic women agreed to keep all babies whatever it happened... I'm totally ok with that... The freedom is kept...
In the case of science and laws in more and more countries, there are some weeks before considering the embryo as a person... In that case, it is the freedom of the women to choose to abort if needed or wanted (not in all states yet)... The freedom is kept...
The problem i evoked about lost of freedom by catholic Sasha is that he accuses deliberately avorters to be killers by only seeing his own point of view... which is narrow-minded as i told him and not tolerant at all... I respect that all catholic women who wanted to keep their babies as he has to be tolerant about all women who want to abort because they don't recognize the catholic dogm fro their way of living but scientific and state point of view.
And about freedom, i clearly see you really don't know me... Mybe you may learn some psychology to learn more about people before judging me ;-)... And one more thing, libertarian is not the prerogative of freedom :-p
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It is the case as soon as the embryo is consider as a conscious person... If you agree the catholic rule for example, then it is normal to see catholic women agreed to keep all babies whatever it happened... I'm totally ok with that... The freedom is kept...
In the case of science and laws in more and more countries, there are some weeks before considering the embryo as a person... In that case, it is the freedom of the women to choose to abort if needed or wanted (not in all states yet)... The freedom is kept...
The problem i evoked about lost of freedom by catholic Sasha is that he accuses deliberately avorters to be killers by only seeing his own point of view... which is narrow-minded as i told him and not tolerant at all... I respect that all catholic women who wanted to keep their babies as he has to be tolerant about all women who want to abort because they don't recognize the catholic dogm fro their way of living but scientific and state point of view.
And about freedom, i clearly see you really don't know me... Mybe you may learn some psychology to learn more about people before judging me ;-)... And one more thing, libertarian is not the prerogative of freedom :-p
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First, I must apologize for using the wrong word. Abortion is not murder (well, not always) but homicide. In Croatian both of these words translate the same so I didn't realize until now that they have different meanings in English.
Anyway, I am really sorry but you really don't make much sense to me. If I tell that abortion is homicide, how could that be violent? It is my opinion. What is a non-violent way to express this opinion?
Furthermore, what do fanatic pro-life supporters have to do with me? I don't advocate violence. I already wrote here that I accept if abortion gets voted democratically as legal. I only retain my right to lobby for the opposite.
In fact it was you who used explicitly violent language in this topic just because of difference in opinions. You act similarly to those violent feminists from Argentina attacking the Catholics passively defending their cathedral.
And I never said I was against abortions threatening physical health of a woman. But these should be a doctor's recommendation with 2nd opinion and not a parent's wish.
Anyway, I am really sorry but you really don't make much sense to me. If I tell that abortion is homicide, how could that be violent? It is my opinion. What is a non-violent way to express this opinion?
Furthermore, what do fanatic pro-life supporters have to do with me? I don't advocate violence. I already wrote here that I accept if abortion gets voted democratically as legal. I only retain my right to lobby for the opposite.
In fact it was you who used explicitly violent language in this topic just because of difference in opinions. You act similarly to those violent feminists from Argentina attacking the Catholics passively defending their cathedral.
And I never said I was against abortions threatening physical health of a woman. But these should be a doctor's recommendation with 2nd opinion and not a parent's wish.