Subject: its up to you, Kaka...

Media is the problem. ;-) We are talking about the same thing, but media made it out to be a big deal...
1 flag, (small) group of attetion seeking ultras does NOT equal= San Siro: capacity 85700 seats.
99% of normal Milan fans... were cheering Maldini...

PS: Sheva at least, was honest about his departure. ;-) (blamed it on his wife and kids ;-p)
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please stop all the crap about Kaka only being after the money, it's getting pretty boring to hear the same thing again and again.. in a way i understand you though, if my favourite club had gotten rid of their best player, and shown that they had lost all their ambitions of being one of the best clubs in the world i'd be pretty frustrated too:P

nobody has metioned about the money, so i will mention it, kaka is just in it for the mone! ;)

nah, if he was he would have went to man city.

"The problem is: Kaka's dishonesty about the whole circus, which He created to get what he wanted."
- Maybe he wanted to go to Madrid for the weather... I don't care... still he was dishonest about it.

"Kaka is still 'all that' on the field, but not so much... off it, anymore" :-(
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how could this be sto hard to understand to you???

Kakà still wants to play in Milan!!!


how should we say this to let you understand?
I told you, nic told you, lots of other people could tell you!
we are italian, we know much more about all this story than you, we know people, we know facts...do you really believe that in your country you would get the same ammount of news and rumours than here in italy about kakà???


I will tell you that for the last time and hope you'll trust me this time:

the problem is not kakà will, the problem is silvio's will

I read Polish, English and Italian news about Milan every day, thank you... ;-p
I've been following Milan for 14 years, now.
I have no prejudices against Berlusconi (which for Italians, is almost impossible ;-p),
I have no prejudices against Kaka, and definatly not Milan.

Yes, Silvio wanted to sell Kaka. So..? he wanted to sell him to Manchester City last year too... and...?

Did Kaka have a contract with AC Milan until 2013? = Yes.
Did Kaka say "that Madrid is a wonderful place and team, and he would like to play for them" = Yes.
Did Kaka say "That he wants to end his career at his beloved Milan, and be the capitan" = Yes. ...bipp... contradiction, and now a lie, too.
Was Kaka forced at gun-piont (by Berlusconi or "his Mafia" people ;-) ) to sign a deal with Real Madrid? = No, (okay... ;-) Very unlikely.)
Did Kaka choose Real Madrid over AC Milan = Yes. (out of his own free will)
Was Kaka honest about his future when leaving Italy, for Brazil = No.
Was Kaka honest about leaving to his teammates or the Milan fans = No.
Did Kaka say goodbye ;-) to his teammates and Milan Fans = No.

you make your own mind up (your choice... ;-p)

I am simply against media manipulation that it is all Galliani's, Berlusconi's... Milan's fault.... and poor old kaka, had to leave the fans, and poor old Kaka, has to play for Madrid now... that's pure crap. It was a Unloyal, free choice by Kaka himself to go to Real Madrid, choice which he was dishonest about, as and when the transfer was happening.

What would have been 'so wrong' in saying "No, thank you" to Real Madrid, (as he did to Manchester City?) and keeping on playing for Milan for another 3 years to fullfil his Milan contract, (highest earning player in Italy contract, by the way ;-p)

PS: I suggest reading Boban's words about the transfer. They sum up my stance on the "Kaka Circus" matter. Berlusconi and Milan suck too(on this matter)- don't get me wrong, but so does, Kaka, if not more... ;-)

-Milan needs/needed Kaka.
-Leonardo would love to have Kaka in his team.
-Milan fans would love Kaka to say...
-even if Berlusconi hated Kaka and wanted to sell him...
...Kaka had the choice!!! and a binding contract untill 2013.
He could even have stayed against Berlusconi's will (thats my point)... but he choose not to.
-and obviously Silvio doesn't hate Kaka, and would not be dissapionted if Kaka stayed.
he could even be a "hero";-p (again) for "keeping" Kaka despite a 65mln RM offer)
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If you are working in any company and another one likes your job and offer a bigger wage and better or the same conditions to work, will you refuse just because you have a good relationship in your current work?

If you are honestly loyal, Yes.
You definatly don't say one thing, and do another.
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i totally agree with you.

he could say....i want to play in Milan but they do not want me,like tavez and that would be correct....

You just can't see or handle the truth about Kaka...
I feel sorry for you mate.

ok I'll tell you what's happened and then you could tell me what's happened for you


Silvio told galliani that he doesn't want no more to keep covering huge losses of money
Perez called milan as every summer to buy kakà
Galliani told silvio that perez wanted to buy kakà for 60 milion
Silvio told galliani to sell kakà and try to raise the deal
galliani called perez and sold kakà

then

galliani called kakà's father and told him "we sold your son, you have to sign a contract with madrid"
kakà's father made his son sign a new deal with madrid and earned himself a %



it is not kakà who wanted to go to madrid, it is silvio that wanted kakà to move to mardid



plus silvio told a week ago that he would have spoken with kakà on monday, this monday and guess what?there were elections on sunday...
they gave the news at 2.00 am as milan fans couldn't make big complainings in the streets
trust me, you don't have prejudices against berlusconi just because you don't know him


however I'm not a milan fan and I do believe that milan is proprety of berlusconi and he could make whatever he wants to it


and last but not least
ancelotti has moved to chelasea
gourcuff doesn't wanted to come back and has been sold to bordeaux
kakà has moved to madrid
paloschi won't be bought back and will stay in parma
pirlo and seedorf will be sold
even pato could be sold as he said he want to talk with ancelotti before to talk with milan


could they be all traitors?or maybe this time you'll get the point, and the point here is that it's the end of a cycle and silvio doesn't want to spend money for milan

As i only woke up, my eyes are sore and only read half of your post but i totally agree with you mate!

Your story adds up, ;-) and I agree with almost everything you wrote, its hard not to, but... I think you missed My point: what I wrote doesn't colide with your story.
I won't write anything, more... so I will just quote some things from my last post: which I think you missunderstood.

"Yes, Silvio wanted to sell Kaka. So..? he wanted to sell him to Manchester City last year too... and...?"
...
and accepted Real Madrid's offer.... as he did with Manchester City's
...
Did Kaka have a contract with AC Milan until 2013? = Yes
Was Kaka forced at gun-piont (by Berlusconi or "his Mafia" people ;-) ) to sign a deal with Real Madrid? = No
...
where is Kaka now? where is his love for Milan fans now?
...
What would have been 'so wrong' in saying "No, thank you" to Real Madrid, (as he did to Manchester City?) and keeping on playing for Milan for another 3 years to fullfil his Milan contract
...
He could even have stayed against Berlusconi's will (thats my point)... but he choose not to.
-and obviously Silvio doesn't hate Kaka, and would not be dissapionted if Kaka stayed.
he (Silvio) could even be a "hero";-p (again) for "keeping" Kaka despite a 65mln RM offer) and so on, bla bla... ;-)

I am simply against media manipulation that it is all Galliani's, Berlusconi's... Milan's fault....and poor old kaka, had to leave the fans, and poor old Kaka, has to play for Madrid now... that's pure crap. It was a Unloyal, free choice by Kaka himself to go to Real Madrid, choice which he was dishonest about, as and when the transfer was already happening.

...just becasue Milan(Berlusconi) accepted the offer, does not mean, Kaka had to go... (against "his will", and "love" for Milan), all the talk about love for Milan was, pure propaganda and lies by Kaka himself.

"Berlusconi and Milan suck too(on this matter)- don't get me wrong, but so does, Kaka, if not more so... ;-)"
;-)
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kakà accepted to go to real madrid because milan needs money, so for its good.
voices tell that he cries after the last match because he didnt want to leave his friends

now you will ask me: "why not going to man city?"

simple... he has to take care his career too, and for me it's good that kakà went to a great team, but not for this he is unloyal

"milan needs money, so for its good" - yes.

"why not going to man city?" - I am not, that... stupid ;-)

"he cries after the last match because he didnt want to leave his friends"
so why did he also say, "I will stay at Milan"? he had a contract untill 2013, or why not just give his hugs, say goodbye to everyone along with Paolo and Carlo... ale leave to Madrid, without dishonesty (a place were he wanted to play "one day") dispite his "love" for Milan... ;-) obviously, when it came to the signature... he threw his love & loyality for Milan, out the window.
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so why didn he also say, "I will stay at Milan"?

he did!!! maybe you didn't hear it, and maybe you don't know how berlusconi is managing milan in these years...

a question: if your friend needs a lot of money, and someone offer you those money but you have to leave, what would you do?

however it's not your fault if you don't know exactly how thing went. it's normal that an italian person knows better italian football than others... and i am not saying this because i am arrogant, but if almost all italian people who follows (italian) football, fans of a lot of different clubs, say that kakà was sold mainly because berlusconi wanted it and that kakà is a good person... there would be a reason ;)

so why didn he also say, "I will stay at Milan"?

that was a mistake which, you should see from the context, so why DID (no N) he
say "I will stay at Milan" and why did he LIE,if he knew he had to leave ACM... already in florence.. why dishonest?

He could have simply said (honestly, like Sheva) or your argumet, "Milan needs money, I can provide that,with a move away to Real Madrid, which I am exited about becasue it would be a new callenge" thats it... and everyone is happy... or at least no one feels cheated, as Milan fans do now... after leaving without a word... or explenation.

No one know exactly what happend, and its not neccesary true that italian football fans who don't
follow AC Milan, know better about Kaka... that fans who follow every word written about their favorite players and team, despite where-ever they are from. ;-p
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