Subject: Pmanager

But in PM there is always some possibilities of smart tactical and advanced tactical choices to surprise them, even with much stronger teams.

In Sokker you depend only on random to beat stronger teams because even with not so much quality difference such as 3 or 5 points in average rating the game is extremely hard to win.

Ofcourse... Much stronger opponents should be harder to win... Its kinda lame if it wouldnt be very hard to win them.

I think you are having some problems to understand my opinion. So, more one time try to understand, it's very simple.

In PM there are more tactical possibilites to beat stronger teams. That mean you can choose smart position for your players, or choose how you are going to pressure them, the type of pass and so on. There are many possibilities to study and beat much stronger teams.

In Sokker, even if the opponent is not much stronger, there are few things to be done to beat them beside count with good luck. Even with 3 or 5 points higher in average hating the game becomes extremely hard and there is too few things to be done and too few tactical possibilities to beat them.

That's what I think it's more interesting in PM?

In PM there are more tactical possibilites to beat stronger teams.

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In PM there are more tactical possibilites to beat stronger teams.

I agree with that, unfortunately. In Sokker even with smart tactics it’s much more hard for weaker teams to beat better quality teams. Most of the times (almost all of them), it happens because of random, not tactic. But I’ve seen many games in PM that weaker teams have chosen correct ATs and have won better quality teams (random has few effects since last season).

Bullshit. In pm you have previous made default tactics - very low possibilities. In sokker you can make whatever tactic you want. About beating better teams - check out my games against WOSK or Przylep juniors. They have much better players...and what were results...?

Negro_01. My team have the same name as here, and I play in the columbian firts division

I find it interesting that you both say this, when you both use more or less the exact same tactic...

It doesn't matter how you play here. In PM you'll a lot more of tactical options than in sokker. For some those options are more interesting than create your own formation. The first thing is a fact, the second a personal opinion. It doesn't have sense to discuss which one is better or tell them that it is a wrong judgement.
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Is this a good thing tho? I don't think a weak team should have much chance to beat a much stronger team. If the teams are close, tactics can certainly decide however.

That depends on what kind of manager game you want. Personally I prefer one, where being a good manager and to build a solid team for advanced tactics is more important than to have luck with either your starting players or just pulling skillfull youngsters.

About beating better teams - check out my games against WOSK or Przylep juniors. They have much better players...and what were results...?

My observation:
Fc `WOSK` - Newcastle Team 0:2
Wosk Player’s Average Rating: 39.55
Newcastle Player’s Average Rating: 39.69

I find it interesting that you both say this, when you both use more or less the exact same tactic...

I see no relation on that. The tactic is because of experience, training and our friendship, of course. The opinion about these two manager games is the result of our discussion and our observations of the result in the confrontation between weaker and stronger teams in these two games.

Is this a good thing tho? I don't think a weak team should have much chance to beat a much stronger team. If the teams are close, tactics can certainly decide however.

I thing it's one of the most important things in a manager game. Of course, it's a matter of opinion. If you think weaker teams, with weaker players, should have few chances to beat stronger teams, then it's your taste for games. I think Sokker fits very well your taste. But I think smart tactical choices and tactical possibilities to study your opponent and beat stronger teams is the essence of the manager game I look for. I think that is missing in Sokker a little bit. Even "not so good" tactics work very well if the team has better players. Maybe it would be better if it wouldn't be given so much advantage for the teams with better players, perhaps.

Borkos's comment: Bulshit

That's just my opinion. I might not be right, but that's exactly what I think, and many others like me. No need to use this kind of word.

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You think its good that a weaker team can beat a much stronger team easily? Beating a stronger team should be difficult, thats the point. It shouldnt be easy. In sokker its possible too, but the problem is, that teams with good average marks are good tactcs also.

I beat a team in my league with 4 rating points less than my opponent in the first game of the season.

Not only was it a win, but it was a large 4-0 win aswell. It's possible when you make better use of what you have.

Noone have said it was done easily in PM. But with the right tactics it's possible to win despite of the opponent having better players than you. As I stated earlier in this thread I find it pretty nice, that new teams also have a chance to fight against the older and therefore well trained teams.