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Good push, if villain is fishy he will call a lot of times.
3bet bigger though preflop
3bet bigger though preflop
3bet with JdJh
SB calls
flop Js 3s 6s -> check, check
turn 6d
I bet half pot, get raised, all in, call
river 6h
He shows Ac6c
SB calls
flop Js 3s 6s -> check, check
turn 6d
I bet half pot, get raised, all in, call
river 6h
He shows Ac6c
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Two players left in tournament, I have J and Q, flop shows with 8, 9 and 10, I raise and he pays. Fourth card is 4 and I go all in, he pays again, he shows J and K, fifth card is Q, ridiculous :(
Two players left in tournament, I have J and Q, flop shows with 8, 9 and 10, I raise and he pays. Fourth card is 4 and I go all in, he pays again, he shows J and K, fifth card is Q, ridiculous :(
Last 3 at 5.50 MTT 171 man, check me, Nick = Gizzeq..
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Full Tilt Poker Game #13098460249: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (97031440), Table 16 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:40:43 ET - 2009/06/29
Seat 4: Jansken (80,929)
Seat 5: junger otto (102,302)
Seat 7: Gizzeq (73,269)
Jansken antes 250
junger otto antes 250
Gizzeq antes 250
Gizzeq posts the small blind of 1,000
Jansken posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gizzeq [Jd Jh]
junger otto calls 2,000
Gizzeq raises to 7,225
Jansken folds
junger otto calls 5,225
*** FLOP *** [2s 5c 4c]
Gizzeq bets 11,225
junger otto calls 11,225
*** TURN *** [2s 5c 4c] [7c]
Gizzeq has 15 seconds left to act
Gizzeq has requested TIME
Gizzeq bets 54,569, and is all in
junger otto calls 54,569
Gizzeq shows [Jd Jh]
junger otto shows [Ac 5h]
*** RIVER *** [2s 5c 4c 7c] [Ah]
Gizzeq shows a pair of Jacks
junger otto shows two pair, Aces and Fives
junger otto wins the pot (148,788) with two pair, Aces and Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 148,788 | Rake 0
Board: [2s 5c 4c 7c Ah]
Seat 4: Jansken (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: junger otto (button) showed [Ac 5h] and won (148,788) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 7: Gizzeq (small blind) showed [Jd Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
F*CKING HELL
Seat 4: Jansken (80,929)
Seat 5: junger otto (102,302)
Seat 7: Gizzeq (73,269)
Jansken antes 250
junger otto antes 250
Gizzeq antes 250
Gizzeq posts the small blind of 1,000
Jansken posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gizzeq [Jd Jh]
junger otto calls 2,000
Gizzeq raises to 7,225
Jansken folds
junger otto calls 5,225
*** FLOP *** [2s 5c 4c]
Gizzeq bets 11,225
junger otto calls 11,225
*** TURN *** [2s 5c 4c] [7c]
Gizzeq has 15 seconds left to act
Gizzeq has requested TIME
Gizzeq bets 54,569, and is all in
junger otto calls 54,569
Gizzeq shows [Jd Jh]
junger otto shows [Ac 5h]
*** RIVER *** [2s 5c 4c 7c] [Ah]
Gizzeq shows a pair of Jacks
junger otto shows two pair, Aces and Fives
junger otto wins the pot (148,788) with two pair, Aces and Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 148,788 | Rake 0
Board: [2s 5c 4c 7c Ah]
Seat 4: Jansken (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: junger otto (button) showed [Ac 5h] and won (148,788) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 7: Gizzeq (small blind) showed [Jd Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
F*CKING HELL
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 5+0.50 Tournament, 1000/2000 Blinds 250 Ante (3 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
BB (t80929)
Button (t102302)
Hero (SB) (t73269)
Hero's M: 19.54
Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
Button calls t2000, Hero bets t7225, 1 fold, Button calls t5225
Flop: (t17200) 2, 5, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t11225, Button calls t11225
Turn: (t39650) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t54569 (All-In), Button calls t54569
River: (t148788) A (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: t148788
Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Button had A, 5 (two pair, Aces and fives).
Hero had J, J (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Button won t148788[/color]
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 5+0.50 Tournament, 1000/2000 Blinds 250 Ante (3 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
BB (t80929)
Button (t102302)
Hero (SB) (t73269)
Hero's M: 19.54
Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
Button calls t2000, Hero bets t7225, 1 fold, Button calls t5225
Flop: (t17200) 2, 5, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t11225, Button calls t11225
Turn: (t39650) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t54569 (All-In), Button calls t54569
River: (t148788) A (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: t148788
Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Button had A, 5 (two pair, Aces and fives).
Hero had J, J (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Button won t148788[/color]
Bad beat, but button had good odds. Odds on the flop were ~1:2, odds on turn were ~1:1.5
Lol. Pot odds = size of pot:amount of money you need to pay to stay in the pot
Pfft, that's not what pot odds are at all. You calculate the odds of getting the cards you need as a win%. Then it's cost to continue, divided by the amount you stand to win to give you the pot odds % which works as a guide to how much you should raise by, or if you should raise at all. It's poker maths and there's not a professional who doesn't use it.
Pfft, that's not what pot odds are at all. You calculate the odds of getting the cards you need as a win%. Then it's cost to continue, divided by the amount you stand to win to give you the pot odds % which works as a guide to how much you should raise by, or if you should raise at all. It's poker maths and there's not a professional who doesn't use it.
Actually what I said are pot odds. What you mean are odds.
Odds is also simple. Odds=outs:all cards-unseen cards-outs
Odds is also simple. Odds=outs:all cards-unseen cards-outs
Pot odds are more important with Limit Poker than No Limit Poker, where you also have Implied Odds (google it). I think most players actually mostly play by feeling, more than doing maths every single time.
That article is wrong. The article describes equity, not pot odds.
"Pot Odds - Can I play my hand profitably?
As you can now determine the probability of completing your draw by making use of odds, the only question that hasn't been answered is how to apply it practically in a game.
Let's make use of the old example again:
We are looking at a concrete situation from a no-limit-game with real money. You are on the flop with one opponent and you are holding the cards shown above. The pot is now at $10. Your opponent bets $2. Is it worthwhile to call this bet and pay $2 to see the turn card?
* Pot before the bet from your opponent: $10
* Bet from your opponent: $2
* Possible profit for you: $12
* Bet, which you have to call: $2
As we now know, the odds of hitting your straight on the turn are roughly 5:1 against you. This means that you'll complete your hand one in six times. Let's assume that you'll win the hand under any circumstances if you do hit one of your outs. This means that you'd win $12 one in six times. In the other five out of the six times you'll lose $2, always assuming that you would have to give up your hand on the turn if you didn't improve.
On average' this means if you call the $2 you'll lose $2 five out of six times. In total, this is $10. However you'll win $12 once. The net profit which is calculated by the profit - the losses, is therefore $12 - $10 = $2. Due to this, it's profitable to call the bet of your opponent in this situation in the long run. On average, you'll win $2 every six times in this situation.
Here the pot odds, the pot chances, come into play. They represent the relationship between the possible profit and the bet which has to be paid. They are an expression of the benefit/cost-ratio.
Pot Odds = possible profit : bet which has to be paid
In the described situation, the pot is at $10. In addition to this, the $2 which the opponent bet, are added to the pot, resulting in the total pot size and possible profit of 12$. You have to pay $2 to stay in the game to see the turn card. The pot odds are now $12 : $2 or 6:1.
Like the numbers 6:1 and 5:1 suggest, a simple rule applies:
If the pot odds are better (so the ratio is bigger) than the odds against completing your hand, you will make profit in the long run. If they are worse, you will make losses in the long run.
What would happen if the opponent bet $4 instead of $2? The possible profit would rise from $10 + $4 = $14 on the one hand. On the other hand, your pot odds for calling the bet would be $14 : $4, which is the same as a ratio of 3.5:1. It would therefore be unprofitable if you were to call the bet. You'd be best advised to fold your hand in this situation because you'll make losses in the long run.
A more precise calculation: You'll win $14 one out of six times, and lose $4 five out of six times. This means 5 times you'll lose 4$ = $20, and one time you'll win 14$. This amounts to a total average loss of 6$ over the long run."
This also makes it much simpler. Equity is only important if you face an all-in decision and is almost always impossible to calculate manual. Odds give a much more siimplistic approach since you can calculate the chance you get a card which you believe gives you the winning hand. If you know the pot odds and correctly estimate the implied pot odds than you're able to correctly decide whether to call or not.
Plz keep your lame comments for yourself.
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"Pot Odds - Can I play my hand profitably?
As you can now determine the probability of completing your draw by making use of odds, the only question that hasn't been answered is how to apply it practically in a game.
Let's make use of the old example again:
We are looking at a concrete situation from a no-limit-game with real money. You are on the flop with one opponent and you are holding the cards shown above. The pot is now at $10. Your opponent bets $2. Is it worthwhile to call this bet and pay $2 to see the turn card?
* Pot before the bet from your opponent: $10
* Bet from your opponent: $2
* Possible profit for you: $12
* Bet, which you have to call: $2
As we now know, the odds of hitting your straight on the turn are roughly 5:1 against you. This means that you'll complete your hand one in six times. Let's assume that you'll win the hand under any circumstances if you do hit one of your outs. This means that you'd win $12 one in six times. In the other five out of the six times you'll lose $2, always assuming that you would have to give up your hand on the turn if you didn't improve.
On average' this means if you call the $2 you'll lose $2 five out of six times. In total, this is $10. However you'll win $12 once. The net profit which is calculated by the profit - the losses, is therefore $12 - $10 = $2. Due to this, it's profitable to call the bet of your opponent in this situation in the long run. On average, you'll win $2 every six times in this situation.
Here the pot odds, the pot chances, come into play. They represent the relationship between the possible profit and the bet which has to be paid. They are an expression of the benefit/cost-ratio.
Pot Odds = possible profit : bet which has to be paid
In the described situation, the pot is at $10. In addition to this, the $2 which the opponent bet, are added to the pot, resulting in the total pot size and possible profit of 12$. You have to pay $2 to stay in the game to see the turn card. The pot odds are now $12 : $2 or 6:1.
Like the numbers 6:1 and 5:1 suggest, a simple rule applies:
If the pot odds are better (so the ratio is bigger) than the odds against completing your hand, you will make profit in the long run. If they are worse, you will make losses in the long run.
What would happen if the opponent bet $4 instead of $2? The possible profit would rise from $10 + $4 = $14 on the one hand. On the other hand, your pot odds for calling the bet would be $14 : $4, which is the same as a ratio of 3.5:1. It would therefore be unprofitable if you were to call the bet. You'd be best advised to fold your hand in this situation because you'll make losses in the long run.
A more precise calculation: You'll win $14 one out of six times, and lose $4 five out of six times. This means 5 times you'll lose 4$ = $20, and one time you'll win 14$. This amounts to a total average loss of 6$ over the long run."
This also makes it much simpler. Equity is only important if you face an all-in decision and is almost always impossible to calculate manual. Odds give a much more siimplistic approach since you can calculate the chance you get a card which you believe gives you the winning hand. If you know the pot odds and correctly estimate the implied pot odds than you're able to correctly decide whether to call or not.
Plz keep your lame comments for yourself.
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why do you make such a simple game so terribly complicated?:D
that was not meant directly to you but to all those variables and rules of different gametypes
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that was not meant directly to you but to all those variables and rules of different gametypes
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