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Subject: Religions and sects

2009-07-11 18:43:35
For your information, the GEnesis of the Bible contains the notion of Heaven... Adam and Eve were leaving in Heaven and they expected to live for eternity... But if they ate fruit from knowledge tree, thus they could die... And they ate and were put out form Heaven... The way for every one who believe in the Holy Bible to is to come back in Heaven for enteriny.
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2009-07-11 18:44:11
Yes, we should abolisch the human nature as it is now..
Can you do it? ;)
2009-07-11 19:31:58
Eeuh ... They didn't live in Heaven but in the Garden of Eden, on Earth (wikipedia). Adam is made from dust from the Earth (Genesis 2:7). This is the second chapter of Genisis and you are wrong already :)
2009-07-11 19:59:45
Hmmm.. Indeed my mistake in my mind Heaven means Paradise = Eden... My bad english is already there :-)
In french, we more often hear about Paradis or Eden than Heaven in the strict term of those words but they all mean the same thing : Return to the land of Adam and Eve for eternity.
2009-07-11 20:26:14
I am a Hindu.
My caste is Kayastha and my sect is Shrivastav
2009-07-11 20:59:43
Then, if you read the Bible as it is, your translation is 100% right. As far as I know the Garden of Eden will return on Earth as God has promised. This will happen after Armagadon. Then all people who are willing to live by the rules of God will live again as Adam and Eve did, but on Earth, not in Heaven. So 'all mean the same thing' isn't righ. Heaven and the Garden of Eden are 2 completely different things. If they were the same it should be in the Bilbe and as far as I know it isn't.

I looked it up: The Bible speaks of a future paradise on earth (Isaiah 65:21,22).
2009-07-11 21:04:23
Aziz Yildirim did not say anything about tolerance, only that when you're a Muslim you should fight against your desires when you're gay.

I really expected a different answer, but so be it.


i said it's prohibited. it means Islam doesn't tolerate it. sorry. it's Allah's word. according to Islam, if i refuse only one rule, it makes me a disbeliever. it's a form of shirk(no1 sin) and who commits shirk will be in hellfire forever. what more can i say?
2009-07-11 21:11:55
In the Bible there's multiple times referred to God's kingdom and in revelation it's described how heaven would look like. It's true that hell is never mentioned in the Bible, but an easy and a difficult path are mentioned. The difficult path should lead to God's kingdom. Where they easy path would go is up to you, but someone would logically assume it would go to hell.
2009-07-11 21:14:09
What I mean to say is that it's not tolerated when an Islamic person is homosexual, but when a non Islamic person is gay it's tolerated.

Or am I wrong?
2009-07-11 21:31:38
There is a Heaven, I don't say that. But nowhere in the Bible you can read all man that die go to Heaven and live there for eternity. Everyone will eventually live in the Garden of Eden as it is always been Gods intention, that's what is written in the Bible as I know it .
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2009-07-11 21:48:24
As far as I know the Bible says that everyone will be judged whether they're allowed to enter this heaven/paradise.
2009-07-11 21:57:56
Judgment Day (Revelation 20:11, 12)
2009-07-11 22:00:28
well... let me explain it ;)

qoran is the last of the holy books send to humankind. the words of qoran(and so of god) are not directed only to muslims. they aim all people. actually in almost all religions warnings are the same.

so, homosexuality is forbidden. women were created to be counterpart of men.

there are strophes where it is definitely mentioned that some of the old tribes/clans were wiped out of the surface of the earth unable even to realize what happens, because they were deep in sin(homosexuality/adultery).
2009-07-11 22:05:49
i don't know if Islamic laws are to be applied to non-muslims. it's beyond my knowledge. i don't want to give wrong information but it's clear that muslims cannot have sympathy for something against Allah's will. whoever does it.
2009-07-11 22:07:38
there are strophes where it is definitely mentioned that some of the old tribes/clans were wiped out of the surface of the earth unable even to realize what happens, because they were deep in sin(homosexuality/adultery).

Just wondering, but are these tribes/clans sort of like Sodom and Gomorra? Or are they Sodom and Gomorra, but just with a different name, like how Jesus is referred to as Isa in the Koran?
2009-07-11 22:12:28
one of the tribes was sodom, i dont remember gommora, but there was an example from the roman empire. probably should check the english translation before being able to give the correct answer.