Subject: Religions and sects

Who says there are not parallel universums? ;-)

... and the Holy Friday 13

What religion can do to a people.. http://www.youtube.com/v/v4QcyEjMydk&feature=related

I'm not saying that I'm an expert of the bible, I'm saying that most religious people don't know shit about what's written in the bible, especially Catholic people.

I can't blame you, cause it's always been like that. One of the main reasons the protestant churches split from the Catholic church was because protestant had the idea that they should be able to read the Bible themselves. In Catholicism Bibles were all in Latin and normal people couldn't read the Bible. Priests told them what was written in the Bible. The Catholic catechism is doing exactly the same. You don't need to read in the Bible because you have a catechism which tells you what to do. In protestantism catechisms don't have any value anymore. People are encouraged to read the Bible themselves and think about religion and God, etc. themselves. Ask yourself questions about what God means for you, what he wants you to do and what God means with what was written in the Bible. This instead of being told everything so that you don't need to think about it.

This is the main reason I became an atheist. I've read what's in the Bible, I've thought about God, faith, religion, life, etc. and I've drawn a conclusion.

It's pointless to start the discussion at all.

not to you but to the general tenor of "lets throw stones at that other religion" that came up in this topic. :)

The United States are still ruled by dogmas and so is the Catholic church. The most enlightened countries are all Western European countries which are in majority protestant countries (England, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) or countries were religion plays a much smaller part than it was before (Belgium, Luxembourg) or where religion is constitutionally separated from the state (France). Also countries like Australia and Japan shouldn't be forgotten. I"m not saying that this is a good or bad thing. All countries at some point have to make this transition as we may all agree that it logically doesn't make any sense to exclude gay people because they are born like that. We also can't exclude black people because they are black, can we?

Gay marriage is, except from Spain, at the moment only possible in protestant countries. These are the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway and Sweden.

My question to Aziz Yildirim still stands. I know the position of homosexuality in Christianity and I already knew the differences in this matter between different Christian streams so I didn't need an answer to that. I wanted a question from a Muslim as I wanted to know how it works in Islam.

I am confident that Muslims aren't that short-sighted as many Christians are.

The United States are still ruled by dogmas and so is the Catholic church.

i hope, that you dont think it seriously. :)

Are you regarding to the United States or Catholic church?

I am aware that it does not apply to all Americans or all Catholics, but lets be honest: you only need a a couple of people to bash one homosexual.

As far as I know homosexualism is also not allowed in Muslim countries.
Check page 3 of this topic: 11. Homosexuality and sodomy

I was aware of that, but what I wanted to know is what people's opinion on it is. On page 3 there's also written that except for one sin, all those sins may be forgiven.
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i'am atheist. but it doesnt matter. and i don't like usa, but it doesn't mater too.

but what do you think, when you say The United States are still ruled by dogmas?
i think that in usa is a lot of fundamental christian community, but it isn't any dogma. maybe you didn't live in socialism to know what is dogma. ;)



homosexuality and muslim: it's a political theme in your country. i don't care.
i hope that we can speak about religions and not about our sexual orientation.
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Dogma might also not have been the correct word as this is a neutral word, but dogmatic would well fit.

A country can be ruled dogmatic when the people who rule a country, the people who are in power or the people who sustain this power, refuse to give in to logic because their (religious) ideology states elsewise.

Homosexualism is a religious dogma, but the same would apply to the American idea that when everyone is allowed to have a gun everyone would be able to protect his family. The latter is logically incorrect because everyone having a gun leads to guns more often involved in fights and more deaths from gunfire. This has statistically proven. Nonetheless when there's an American politicians who's trying to ban firearms he can be sure there's gonna be a lot of protests.
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this logic is absolutly incorrect.

it's a poitical, cultural and religious tradition in all country, but it isn't dogma.
if i change your words (guns=legal drugs; usa=netherland), then i need to say, that nederland is a dogmatic state (and it isn't correct, i know), because nobody can't change this terrible system (i mean legal drugs).

you can say free in america (and nederland too) what do you think, but it doesn't mean that you can assure the peoples, the media, or your nation. but it isn't dogma. maybe tradition.


can we speak about religion?
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Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from.

This means that when you forbid gay marriages because you believe that according to your religion homosexualism is a sin, it is a dogma.

Legislation of drugs is not dogmatic when you do this because you want to be able to regulate drugs use and stop crime caused by illegal drugs trade. It would be dogmatic when you legalise drugs because it's part of your culture and your ancestors have done it for centuries and you really believe there's no harm in drugs.

And we're talking about religion as dogma's are an essential part of religion.