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Subject: H1N1/Pneumonic Plague, Ukraine?!
Planet earth is over-crowded ~7 Billion people habiting this rock. 500 million is the perfect number of us. so my calculations show 6,5 billion excessive people.
ireland has the vaccine but doctors were refusing to vaccinate people till there like this week.. some dispute or i dunno..
we only got the vaccine recently though as the country couldnt afford it.. i was amazed caus i was in oz and ye had it being distributed like 3 months ago for everyone!
LOL at the title though..
"Pneumonic Plague!" ???? i know its a serious situation, but wow
we only got the vaccine recently though as the country couldnt afford it.. i was amazed caus i was in oz and ye had it being distributed like 3 months ago for everyone!
LOL at the title though..
"Pneumonic Plague!" ???? i know its a serious situation, but wow
Everyone who's talking about an over populated earth is talking bull crap. Earth can easily sustain 50 billion people. We're technologically not advanced enough, I'll admit that, but in 50 years we will.
I strongly suggest everyone gets back on topic. This topic will get a fatal case of the flu otherwise.
Hmm. Well of course every country did first check the vaccine and I think every countrys health system had to agree on it before letting doctors use it. Because if the vaccine would cause other problems, it would be quite a drama if you use it on 100'000 people and then find out that many of those died because of the vaccine ;)
Here in Switzerland there are also critical remarks after we also had an outbreak with some cases of swine flu in last two weeks or something and the vaccine still was not distributed back then.
About that thing with many people: I don't think that is offtopic, the problem of course is not the amouth of people itself, the problem is how everything is connected and how humans do mostly crowd together in cities. So there have been many doctors that said (since the 70ties or something) that there just has to be a sickness that kills almost everyone. I personally don't think H1N1 will do that but I agree that at some point a thing like that may occur.
Here in Switzerland there are also critical remarks after we also had an outbreak with some cases of swine flu in last two weeks or something and the vaccine still was not distributed back then.
About that thing with many people: I don't think that is offtopic, the problem of course is not the amouth of people itself, the problem is how everything is connected and how humans do mostly crowd together in cities. So there have been many doctors that said (since the 70ties or something) that there just has to be a sickness that kills almost everyone. I personally don't think H1N1 will do that but I agree that at some point a thing like that may occur.
That doesn't make any sense because the Mexican flu was originated there where humans and animals live close to each other. In no hygienic modern city a virus like that would happen.
And it's a good thing that humans crowd together in big cities cause living in huge apartment buildings means that less soil needs to be cultivated (i.e. big cities need a smaller area to give a room to a particular amount of people compared to villages).
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And it's a good thing that humans crowd together in big cities cause living in huge apartment buildings means that less soil needs to be cultivated (i.e. big cities need a smaller area to give a room to a particular amount of people compared to villages).
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Bah, that a virus has to have a place where humans and animals are close or are unhygienic is a myth.
Besides I am not talking about the origin of viruses, more of the way they can spread. Of course in modern cities with millions of people very close to each other, with public transfer or streets where 100'000 people walk through every day it is a lot easier for a virus or any other sickness that can be transported through air or little drops of water to actually spread (afaik H1N1 does not spread through air, but other sicknesses could). And that there are so many traveling people like there are today would make it easy for a sickness to spread out widely around the globe in short time.
But yes you are right from an ecological point of view. Of course less nature gets harmed if all humans live in big cities.
Besides I am not talking about the origin of viruses, more of the way they can spread. Of course in modern cities with millions of people very close to each other, with public transfer or streets where 100'000 people walk through every day it is a lot easier for a virus or any other sickness that can be transported through air or little drops of water to actually spread (afaik H1N1 does not spread through air, but other sicknesses could). And that there are so many traveling people like there are today would make it easy for a sickness to spread out widely around the globe in short time.
But yes you are right from an ecological point of view. Of course less nature gets harmed if all humans live in big cities.
I agree that the mobility of people enhances the chance of spreading the virus, but I don't agree that it's that much higher in big cities, at least not in the modern world, since rural areas are often very densely populated and the people living there enjoy a great mobility.
Every year thousands and thousands of people die becouse of flu. This one isn't different from the others!!!
Not really true as far as I know it. More people get infected with this agressive flu so more people die.
Not really true as far as I know it. More people get infected with this agressive flu so more people die.
from WHO (World Health Organization) site:
Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine - update 1
3 November 2009 -- According to the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, the country has now recorded more than 250 000 cases of influenza-like illness, with 235 patients requiring intensive care. As of 2 November, 70 deaths from acute respiratory illness have been reported.
Regions in western Ukraine continue to show the highest rates of acute respiratory illness/influenza-like illness. The level of activity in the Kyiv area is also increasing rapidly.
Laboratory testing in Ukraine has confirmed pandemic H1N1 influenza virus in samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions. As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus.
As elsewhere, WHO strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection.
At the request of the government, a multi-disciplinary team of nine experts has been deployed by WHO and arrived in Kyiv yesterday evening. Discussions with the Minister of Health were held this morning to brief the team.
Team members will now begin field investigations to characterize the clinical and epidemiological features of the outbreak. Work will initially begin in Lviv region, where reported numbers of cases showing severe manifestations of acute respiratory illness have been especially high. Two virologists on the team have started working at the National Influenza Centre and the laboratories of the Central Sanitary and Epidemiological Station in Kyiv to provide diagnostic support.
Samples sent by the Ministry of Health were received today by the WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza, Mill Hill in London, UK. The laboratory will conduct confirmatory tests and further characterize the virus.
Many questions remain to be answered. The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe.
Given the potential significance of this outbreak as an early warning signal, WHO commends the government of Ukraine for its transparent reporting and open sharing of samples.
WHO continues to recommend no closing of borders and no restrictions on international travel, including to Ukraine. Experience shows that such measures will not stop further spread of the virus.
Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine - update 1
3 November 2009 -- According to the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, the country has now recorded more than 250 000 cases of influenza-like illness, with 235 patients requiring intensive care. As of 2 November, 70 deaths from acute respiratory illness have been reported.
Regions in western Ukraine continue to show the highest rates of acute respiratory illness/influenza-like illness. The level of activity in the Kyiv area is also increasing rapidly.
Laboratory testing in Ukraine has confirmed pandemic H1N1 influenza virus in samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions. As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus.
As elsewhere, WHO strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection.
At the request of the government, a multi-disciplinary team of nine experts has been deployed by WHO and arrived in Kyiv yesterday evening. Discussions with the Minister of Health were held this morning to brief the team.
Team members will now begin field investigations to characterize the clinical and epidemiological features of the outbreak. Work will initially begin in Lviv region, where reported numbers of cases showing severe manifestations of acute respiratory illness have been especially high. Two virologists on the team have started working at the National Influenza Centre and the laboratories of the Central Sanitary and Epidemiological Station in Kyiv to provide diagnostic support.
Samples sent by the Ministry of Health were received today by the WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza, Mill Hill in London, UK. The laboratory will conduct confirmatory tests and further characterize the virus.
Many questions remain to be answered. The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe.
Given the potential significance of this outbreak as an early warning signal, WHO commends the government of Ukraine for its transparent reporting and open sharing of samples.
WHO continues to recommend no closing of borders and no restrictions on international travel, including to Ukraine. Experience shows that such measures will not stop further spread of the virus.
we can find there also another data
Total world cases over 482300
Total world deaths at least 6071
it gives us mortality around 1%. It's high for a disease wihch can easily affect almost all worlds population...
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Total world cases over 482300
Total world deaths at least 6071
it gives us mortality around 1%. It's high for a disease wihch can easily affect almost all worlds population...
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you have to take into account each countrys ability to fight it also.. better prepared countries that mortality % is a lot lower... ireland has had a lot of deaths.. 4 in the last week...14 total.. hospitals are banning all visitors from tomorrow so as to stop people possibly infecting already ill people who would be then in serious life threatening situations, or from contracting it from people already in hospitals
just beginning to get serious here... 30,000 new cases in the last week - for a population of 4 million, thats almost 1% infection in a week..
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just beginning to get serious here... 30,000 new cases in the last week - for a population of 4 million, thats almost 1% infection in a week..
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In the Netherlands the mortality rate is low average for an influenza virus.