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Subject: Crash of Polish plane in Smolensk

2010-04-12 23:29:20
Well to be honest, grzesbe is right...Kaczynski was probably going to lose the coming elections anyway, chief commanders have their assistants trained for this occassion so it's not really a problem[from the viewpoint of a country of course], unless there was a war going on right now. Politicians - same thing.

In my opinion the biggest problem will be with replacing Janusz Kurtyka click. Institute of National Remembrance is a very important institution in Poland, especially nowadays. They do a lot of research into history, especially the communist part. There were many researches getting finished right now, and Kurtyka himself was being prepared for this position for years. It really won't be easy to find someone who will replace him sufficiently.

Of course, it's a real tragedy, as I've said before - I was writing this post solely from the country's view, not citizens.
2010-04-13 12:01:05
russia re-established good relations with poland due to the poles finding a nice gas reserve in their territory, I believed?

No, this is a tragedy for both countries, I don't believe russia had anything to do with it.

It's funny how conspiracies always seem to pop up, but they *rarely* ask the right or the critical questions. Conspiracists are idiots.
2010-04-13 12:03:02
and about the amount of important people flying in the same plane being a security risk. Planes rarely crash, but they always cost a lot of money to fly. Sometimes the costs really don't outweigh the benefits :)
2010-04-13 12:14:32
Isn't conspiracy, but was big problem to Poland (I understand) plaine dont have proximity warning. And Russia don't have fog beacons in airport, and very important: don't have traffic controller who speak English
2010-04-13 13:53:19
And Russia don't have fog beacons in airport, and very important: don't have traffic controller who speak English

some source to confirm?
2010-04-13 14:15:48
It is true, but it isn't Russias fault. It is an orl military airport, so there was no need to have top level tools etc.

Also, it doesn't matter whether the traffic controller was able to speak English or not, the Polish pilot was a fluent speaker of Russian language, so there was no language barrier.
2010-04-13 19:17:28
i dont know ur country's political specialities but we can see this in newspapers. ''may be a attack?'' or ''many politician died in the same time and same plane, is it a coincidence?''.
2010-04-13 19:49:55
sorry for your lost it's a terrible tragedy for Poland condoleances from Romania....
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2010-04-13 21:01:05
Polish pilot spoke english and russian man at the airport spoke russian. but they understood each other :D
2010-04-13 22:48:51
I am very sad...
2010-04-14 21:22:32
seems as though he was well liked by the people, because of the reaction in poland, unusual for politicians, anyways RIP.
2010-04-14 21:26:56
Not really, he was a subject of many jokes, because of his height, weak communication skills and many 'flops'. For example once he was talking with one of policemans I think, and the policeman said to his dog Ira - siad. [Ira(name of the dog) - sit]. Our president said Irasiad[Irasit] is a bit nervous today, isn't he?

He pronounced name of our football players unproperly, for example instead of Boruc he said Borubar...

Well he wasn't liked, but he deserved respect for his beliefs, patriotism and sometimes for what he has done. Current situation is a bit caused by the fact that he was killed in such tragic way...
2010-04-14 22:18:48
2010-04-15 20:05:38
USA TODAY: Device spurs questions in Polish crash
The Polish jet that crashed short of a runway in fog, killing that nation's president and other top leaders, was equipped with a safety device that warns pilots when they get too close to the ground, the device's manufacturer said Tuesday.
The existence of the device deepens the mystery of why the jet struck woods and exploded as pilots attempted to land Saturday at a Russian military airport, aviation safety experts said. If the safety device was working properly, it would be the first such crash of an aircraft equipped with the system since its introduction in the late 1990s.
The Russian-built Tupolev TU-154 had been equipped with a Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) made by Universal Avionics Systems of Tucson, said company spokesman John Hamby. He said the company could not discuss the investigation into the crash or other details.
TAWS devices contain computerized maps of the world and issue warnings whenever aircraft come too close to mountain tops, radio towers or any other obstruction. Accidents in which a functioning airplane flew into the ground had been the leading cause of deaths around the world.
The devices, required on commercial aircraft since 2005, have virtually wiped out such crashes. If a jet gets too low, the TAWS issues a whooping siren and a recorded voice demands pilots "pull up."
The fact that the jet had a TAWS device "opens more questions than it answers," said John Cox, a safety consultant and former accident investigator.
"I really would like to know what was going on in that flight deck because no matter what kind of pressure other pilots have been under or what kind of weather they encountered, no pilot has ignored a TAWS warning. What is so different about this plane that it would break that chain?" Cox said.
Bill Voss, president of the non-profit Flight Safety Foundation, said that the crash may highlight a weakness in the TAWS. Maps of the U.S. and other developed nations are highly accurate, but gaps exist in the maps for countries such as Russia and in the developing world, Voss said.
President Lech Kaczynski, his wife, Maria Kaczynska, and other prominent Poles were on their way to Smolensk in western Russia, where they were to attend a memorial service for thousands of Polish soldiers who were executed 70 years ago. All 96 people aboard the jet died.
There is no evidence that engine failure brought down the plane, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said. The airport was shrouded in fog and controllers advised the pilots to divert, according to Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.
Contributing: The Associated Press
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It is like he said: "[this] opens more questions than it answers" :j
2010-04-20 17:08:10


a video with some explanations.


i dunno if this is true but it certainly raises some eyebrows.
2010-04-21 17:49:11
hehe russians made a planned assassination and now all people are able to watch evidence on youtube it is not possible

the fact that they killed people from plane is more propable than o a fact that they couldn't hide all evidences ;)

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