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So low educated people should not talk about the financial crisis? I study economics by the way ;-)
You just didn't start very well with the 60 hours week, so then I'm not going to try to make you understand my view.
You just didn't start very well with the 60 hours week, so then I'm not going to try to make you understand my view.
If you cut down government expenses, what you think is so a brilliant idea. The governement, the states, the towns have to privatize everything. Maybe, if you are lucky they don't privatize the security and the firefighters. Ok let's keep that shit. Still, the rest is private.
I never defended this this. So I'm not going further into this.
Then a lot of monopols will occur, as the governement sector business is often designed for monopols, it is too difficult to explain that to you here. A Monopol means there is only one company in the market, and that means they can make the price like they want. That means you have to pay more for the services that were before from the government sector, how do you like that?
If you have a house and you cu down your expenses to a minimum you lose your house. You can not eat as healthy as you want, because healthy food is more expensiv and so on. Yeah, that is probably what you want in your future. How do you like that?
You pretend other people are idiots. Good luck with thát.
I never defended this this. So I'm not going further into this.
Then a lot of monopols will occur, as the governement sector business is often designed for monopols, it is too difficult to explain that to you here. A Monopol means there is only one company in the market, and that means they can make the price like they want. That means you have to pay more for the services that were before from the government sector, how do you like that?
If you have a house and you cu down your expenses to a minimum you lose your house. You can not eat as healthy as you want, because healthy food is more expensiv and so on. Yeah, that is probably what you want in your future. How do you like that?
You pretend other people are idiots. Good luck with thát.
So low educated people should not talk about the financial crisis? I study economics by the way ;-)
Everybody should be allowed to talk about everything imo. My point, which you didn't get AGAIN is, that like in a asian culture, you should be humble towards knowledge. You should be open to views and understand and work with them. You should further start to learn what is already been approved. And in the most important step you should make all this to your own, independent view. So: humble, knowledge, learn, work, knowledge, own understanding.
I could tell you what I studied, worked, whatever. It should be of no interest for you as is my interest in what you do pretty much zero.
You just didn't start very well with the 60 hours week, so then I'm not going to try to make you understand my view.
Try it. But what I've seen is someone who has read some simple books, watched some simple television and came up with a simple conclusion. And honestly something like that usually makes me sad and tired very fast at the same time.
Everybody should be allowed to talk about everything imo. My point, which you didn't get AGAIN is, that like in a asian culture, you should be humble towards knowledge. You should be open to views and understand and work with them. You should further start to learn what is already been approved. And in the most important step you should make all this to your own, independent view. So: humble, knowledge, learn, work, knowledge, own understanding.
I could tell you what I studied, worked, whatever. It should be of no interest for you as is my interest in what you do pretty much zero.
You just didn't start very well with the 60 hours week, so then I'm not going to try to make you understand my view.
Try it. But what I've seen is someone who has read some simple books, watched some simple television and came up with a simple conclusion. And honestly something like that usually makes me sad and tired very fast at the same time.
I said plain and simple. If you are interested in more complicated show me you understand it.
Here in Greece mate we say,..that
Εξω απο το χορο πολλα τραγουδια λενε...which means that
if someone is outside from the dance..he can sing a lot of songs...for sure..;)(translated)
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Εξω απο το χορο πολλα τραγουδια λενε...which means that
if someone is outside from the dance..he can sing a lot of songs...for sure..;)(translated)
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If you are outside of the Eurozone, and that will happen if you keep on doing what you are doing. Then all your banks will collapse, the rich ppl will pull all of their money out of your country, your economics and business will implode and you will basically start at zero. And that is not a good idea at all. Honestly.
I don't argue with people who exaggerate my opinion. (privatization, longer working)
You did not at all lay down your opinion clearly. You simply stated that you want to privatize, cut down expenses and so on. Basically that is not a bad idea. But if you are not clear I will tear it apart like nothing. Good luck in your studies.
Maybe you have right...but if we take the next aggreement and dose..and next..Also the next step is to ask us to sell our country.And if we accept the next step the salaries and wage will go to 300 euro and taxes more and more and from the other hand all the items will remain at high prices...and people then dont have almost to leave.So we will be at -zero.With our coin we will be at zero but if we start to put out our oil and gold and gus that are billions...we will be much stronger than everyone and not enslave..;)
Well, my opinion is mostly focused on Belgium of course.
About privatization: in my opinion, the government should focus on its core business, and not on other things like rail transport (NMBS), mail delivery (bpost), etc. The NMBS for instance is just piling up the deficits (because of inefficiency and the lack of investments in the railroads). Why should the government keep giving money to a company that is clearly in the red numbers for decades? It is tax payers money that is lost imo. Privatize it, and the railroads will become efficient again (nowadays, people got used to being 5 to 15 minutes late because of the train ...).
About cutting down the expenses: in Belgium, our social security is too big imo. Our unemployment benefits are eternal. In most countries (I thought all but Belgium and Luxembourg), they drop after some time (mostly 1 to 3 years). In Belgium, they remain at the same level. I am against a lot of public funding (for instance concerning religion, culture, ...) because that is imo not the task of the government, it is private matter. Education is an exception here, we should give everyone the chance to educate himself if he wants to. Education is one of the things that is good in Flanders (there is no Belgian school system, only a Flemish and a Walloon one, the latter being far worse). Another thing is the health insurance. Now, there are laws that the money going to healthcare should rise every year 4,5 percent above inflation. This is not sustainable, this costs us a huge amount of money. Rising the retirement age will save us money too. Lowering the number of people working for the government by gaining efficiency. Every bit will help, 'cause we need 24 billion euro (in a country with 11 million people) to remove our budget deficit.
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About privatization: in my opinion, the government should focus on its core business, and not on other things like rail transport (NMBS), mail delivery (bpost), etc. The NMBS for instance is just piling up the deficits (because of inefficiency and the lack of investments in the railroads). Why should the government keep giving money to a company that is clearly in the red numbers for decades? It is tax payers money that is lost imo. Privatize it, and the railroads will become efficient again (nowadays, people got used to being 5 to 15 minutes late because of the train ...).
About cutting down the expenses: in Belgium, our social security is too big imo. Our unemployment benefits are eternal. In most countries (I thought all but Belgium and Luxembourg), they drop after some time (mostly 1 to 3 years). In Belgium, they remain at the same level. I am against a lot of public funding (for instance concerning religion, culture, ...) because that is imo not the task of the government, it is private matter. Education is an exception here, we should give everyone the chance to educate himself if he wants to. Education is one of the things that is good in Flanders (there is no Belgian school system, only a Flemish and a Walloon one, the latter being far worse). Another thing is the health insurance. Now, there are laws that the money going to healthcare should rise every year 4,5 percent above inflation. This is not sustainable, this costs us a huge amount of money. Rising the retirement age will save us money too. Lowering the number of people working for the government by gaining efficiency. Every bit will help, 'cause we need 24 billion euro (in a country with 11 million people) to remove our budget deficit.
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If you are outside of the Eurozone, and that will happen if you keep on doing what you are doing. Then all your banks will collapse, the rich ppl will pull all of their money out of your country, your economics and business will implode and you will basically start at zero. And that is not a good idea at all. Honestly.
you are right, but..
what is the alternative???
to destroy internal economy of that country.
destroying work market (EU asked to turn off collective wok contracts!!!) and so
destroying reddit capability of middle/poor class people
destroying productively system without any strategic public investiment in infrastructure
destroying public services and security (avoiding esternal investment to come..)
so are this scenario really worst than to face a great crisis that last 1 or 2 years?
something must be done before private richness is consumed for surviving.
I say it again, look at argentina, when they started to grow out from their crisis?
when they stop to follow FMI "aid" policies..
you are right, but..
what is the alternative???
to destroy internal economy of that country.
destroying work market (EU asked to turn off collective wok contracts!!!) and so
destroying reddit capability of middle/poor class people
destroying productively system without any strategic public investiment in infrastructure
destroying public services and security (avoiding esternal investment to come..)
so are this scenario really worst than to face a great crisis that last 1 or 2 years?
something must be done before private richness is consumed for surviving.
I say it again, look at argentina, when they started to grow out from their crisis?
when they stop to follow FMI "aid" policies..
I'm sorry, but what do you mean by 'reddit'?
I'm pretty sure its a social networking site.
I'm pretty sure its a social networking site.
I have really no idea :p
Edit: the best thing close to it is 'credit'.
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Edit: the best thing close to it is 'credit'.
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El pupe,hang on there mate
Don't lose your mind over answering to Belgians
Don't lose your mind over answering to Belgians
He is still a junior(Ρομπινχο) he dont came out from school yet and he speak like he is einstein or Tesla or the best economy profesional.He think because he stay at that country and he is from that country that he will avoid the madness-plan of the mason clubs.The crise he will go at his home and his at the age that it will a cost a lot to his life.And then he will remember hiso words against Greece.That time Greece will be the stronger country..(Greece didnt die at the past,neither now..).
Now some guys here on forum they posted 100 pages of posts and they they know everything in that age at crise.
Little boys go first and work at a job to know what is a salary wage and taxes.And what is debt and then come talking here like gods!
I have a good message for all you...
Ο ΚΑΙΡΟΣ ΓΑΡ ΕΓΓΥΣ...
run and translate that greek phrase from a language that is the most important and strong and hides a loto of mustic meanings.Even Bill Gates said that Greek language is the most importan because dont have limits...
Translate before is too late..for all of you...The beast of Vryxelles have control your mind i think...
And rubinho...go sleep its too late for you.You have school tommorow..
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Now some guys here on forum they posted 100 pages of posts and they they know everything in that age at crise.
Little boys go first and work at a job to know what is a salary wage and taxes.And what is debt and then come talking here like gods!
I have a good message for all you...
Ο ΚΑΙΡΟΣ ΓΑΡ ΕΓΓΥΣ...
run and translate that greek phrase from a language that is the most important and strong and hides a loto of mustic meanings.Even Bill Gates said that Greek language is the most importan because dont have limits...
Translate before is too late..for all of you...The beast of Vryxelles have control your mind i think...
And rubinho...go sleep its too late for you.You have school tommorow..
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Ever worked 60 hours a week?
No. And nobody will have to. Just a 38-hours week, but longer means longer in years (no pension at 60-62).
I've worked 60 hours a week for less than 820 euro. Longer in years? Well you think that you in your early 60's you will be as productive as you will be in 30-40? I don't think it's a matter of time but rather a matter of productivity and effectiveness.
Ever had to pay more for the garbage because it is private now?
No. It is public here, but we still pay for it.
Same here.
Ever been unemployed and got a check that did not nearly covers your expenses?
No. Cut the expenses to a minimum then.
I had been working for a greek airline for 2,5 years. In August I was fired as the company stopped operations. In my 2,5 year I only got paid in time once!! When I was fired they owed me 7 salaries...! They used to pay as once every two months (not two wages... only one) which led to the 7 wages above. However I had to go to work every day. I had to pay for gas with money I din't had. If you don't know how that feels then you probably reconsider your opinion.
Ever been fired from a job you need because you have a family?
No. I'm a student.
Same as above but at least I don't have a family of my own.
And that day you get fired, get only a few bucks from the unemployment agency and come home to your wife and children to a house you can not pay back the mortgage.
Well, you both lost your job?
I did get fired and the unemployment agency pay us 461 euro per month for a maximun of a year.
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No. And nobody will have to. Just a 38-hours week, but longer means longer in years (no pension at 60-62).
I've worked 60 hours a week for less than 820 euro. Longer in years? Well you think that you in your early 60's you will be as productive as you will be in 30-40? I don't think it's a matter of time but rather a matter of productivity and effectiveness.
Ever had to pay more for the garbage because it is private now?
No. It is public here, but we still pay for it.
Same here.
Ever been unemployed and got a check that did not nearly covers your expenses?
No. Cut the expenses to a minimum then.
I had been working for a greek airline for 2,5 years. In August I was fired as the company stopped operations. In my 2,5 year I only got paid in time once!! When I was fired they owed me 7 salaries...! They used to pay as once every two months (not two wages... only one) which led to the 7 wages above. However I had to go to work every day. I had to pay for gas with money I din't had. If you don't know how that feels then you probably reconsider your opinion.
Ever been fired from a job you need because you have a family?
No. I'm a student.
Same as above but at least I don't have a family of my own.
And that day you get fired, get only a few bucks from the unemployment agency and come home to your wife and children to a house you can not pay back the mortgage.
Well, you both lost your job?
I did get fired and the unemployment agency pay us 461 euro per month for a maximun of a year.
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