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Subject: »PIIGS - economics problems

1.could you tell that to rumpil and in front of your mirror?
2.its so clear
3.oh,that was a funny joke
4.rumpil answered with an ethnic joke.said both of you(Rubinho & rumpil ) about your text and for that reason see #5
5.Reading what someone wrote might help you in the future. Just a recommendation.

@Lostprophets i m waiting for the requirments not an answer with cold British sense of humor ,fry again and again ,you are so predictable ;)

could you tell us about your debt?could you check debt of public sector+private sector
you know, im economist and i dont find how the usual people are responsible of the mess of their goverment, as russians were not responsible of stalin death´s

I'm an economist myself. The Russians are responsible for the financial balance of the Soviet Union, but not the 'social balance' (I hope you understand what I mean by this).

Belgium is a complete mess too. I even can't vote for half of the parties (half of the government is elected by the north, half of the government is elected by the south). Still, I am financially responsible what the government does (although I can only vote for a part of the parliament). There are people in power I did not have a chance to vote / not to vote for. I am responsible for the financial actions those people took and take.
yes i undersand what you mean, but as i told i find only a law responsible, according of international laws, but not economic responsible, as greeks didnt choose the macroeconomic direction but their leaders did, usual greek only taken individual microeconomic decissions...lets say ths sum of the micro decissions has a bit of responsible in there, but i find the most responsible on their goverment

and a big piece of responsible probably on central bank, as its decission about % cost of money ( "i") prejudice some euro economis and benefit others, as we are not totally integred economys ( wages, cost of life etc.. )

Anyway, here are though times too, hope this fxxxing crisis happens
1.could you tell that to rumpil and in front of your mirror?

I don't think you got what I meant. What I meant was that Rumpil just reacted on your 'joke' with the same type of 'joke'. That's like saying: "Hey, he slapped me!" after you slapped him first.

2.its so clear

I did not make a bad joke about Nazi's. Are you proud of your 'joke' about the Nazi's?

3.oh,that was a funny joke

I think you mean 'that is' instead of 'that was'. Otherwise I don't understand what you're saying here. It's not a joke btw.

4.rumpil answered with an ethnic joke.said both of you(Rubinho & rumpil ) about your text and for that reason see #5

I don't understand what you're exactly saying here.

5.Reading what someone wrote might help you in the future. Just a recommendation.

I understand you use my sentence to mask your English, which is quite incomprehensible sometimes (see number 4).

could you tell us about your debt?could you check debt of public sector+private sector

Only public debt matters. Private debt is outside the hands of the government.
mate seriously, you have written your opinion at least a thousand times. i have never cheated and i always paid my fuck.ng taxes and i am responsible for the mess. we have understood it, there is no point of writing it again and again. i am also responsible for italy's mess, for spain's mess, etc. i must also work 60 hours per week, until my 80s, to get no pension, in order rumpil and you won't pay my debt. it's clear, no worries, no need to repeat it.
yes i undersand what you mean, but as i told i find only a law responsible, according of international laws, but not economic responsible, as greeks didnt choose the macroeconomic direction but their leaders did, usual greek only taken individual microeconomic decissions...lets say ths sum of the micro decissions has a bit of responsible in there, but i find the most responsible on their goverment

Indeed, the government chose the macroeconomic direction. But who chose the government? Yes, the Greeks did. They voted in majority for Papandreou's party (PASOK), and so gave the legitimacy to PASOK to determine the macroeconomic direction of Greece.

and a big piece of responsible probably on central bank, as its decission about % cost of money ( "i") prejudice some euro economis and benefit others, as we are not totally integred economys ( wages, cost of life etc.. )

This is why the euro was doomed to fail. Europe is not one economy. The price and economic differences within the Eurozone are just too big to have one currency.
mate seriously, you have written your opinion at least a thousand times. i have never cheated and i always paid my fuck.ng taxes and i am responsible for the mess. we have understood it, there is no point of writing it again and again. i am also responsible for italy's mess, for spain's mess, etc. i must also work 60 hours per week, until my 80s, to get no pension, in order rumpil and you won't pay my debt. it's clear, no worries, no need to repeat it.

Populist. And by doing so, you force me to repeat my opinion. What you did (never cheated, always paid your taxes) is irrelevant to the case. The case being the Greek government had to much expenses giving its income. If you can't see that what you paid in the past is irrelevant, than discussing with you is pointless.
well i dont belive in responsible of voters of pasok as they dont have any ideas of economics, in general


as, when i vote, i dont have any idea of medicine...i wont find myself responsible if our wealth system fails ( thats an example, we have a good wealth system)
are you economist and said so many economical paradox.
oh my god
Enlight me and show me the economic paradoxes I've made.
no discussing with a guy who has never worked in his life and asks for longer work, no pensions and flexible work-schedule and part time contracts is pointless. you just see numbers and statistics, not people and families behind it.
What a surprise. And yes, I only see numbers and statistics, as that is the only basis for a serious economic discussion. Families and people are irrelevant for that (I don't say family and people are irrelevant in general!).
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so if numbers and statistics are your only point of discussion, then accept that this crisis (not just the greek one, which is the 2% of european economy) is the ultimate failure of bank system and economics as a science. because similar guys, technocrats and bank managers/golden boys have produced this mess. not the people or families who are "irrelevant" in this discussion and now need to pay for it.
This crisis has multiple causes:
- the irresponsible behavior of governments, who maintain a high debt rate,
- the lack of regulation in the bank system, and
- the failing of the euro system, due to the eurozone not being one economic area.

How this would be the ultimate failure of the economic science, you might have to explain that to me.
And yes, I only see numbers and statistics, as that is the only basis for a serious economic discussion.

so You need to study economic much more couse economic is not about numbers. it's about human behaviours...
In this specific case, it's about numbers. Don't pretend I don't know what I'm studying.

When someone says: okay, my government has a huge deficit, but I always paid my taxes, I really can't do anything else than laughing. That's what this was about.
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