Subject: »PIIGS - economics problems

Now it is still just about Greece and some piigs....

Bond yields jump in France, Belgium, Austria as crisis spreads

The (financial) future of Belgium looks bad, very, very bad. We haven't got a government since April 2010. So we can't make the real reforms we need. And the coalition talks between socialists, liberals and christiandemocrats aren't heading in the right direction.

But if we fail, it'll be Belgiums own fault, and our fault only. If Belgium was governed as good as for instance the Netherlands, we wouldn't be in trouble. So in contrary to you Greeks, I won't blame others for our responsability.

Slovakia cancel selling bonds too :). Temporarily bad week :)

+1 Rubinho

Austria's problem is in Hungary.

So in contrary to you Greeks, I won't blame others for our responsability.

the responsability its not only to the citizens of the countrys and the banking, economic and political system its not clear of responsibility...
Its not fair bankers to earn money from the interests but fi the fail to pay the damages the states from the citizens taxes...
You didnt earn something from DEXIA all of these years but know you must pay the failoure for example...

You can vote for such party/government which will create own state bank and borrow people (or rather lend people :) ) with 1% interest, go ahead :)

But such a party is missing also in Slovakia, we must made one :)

I'm not talking about saving the banks. I'm talking about the high interest rates. They are not caused by saving the banks, they are caused by the unhealthy economic and financial situation we're in. The other countries that are doing quite well (northern Europe mostly) are not having the the problems Greece or Italy are having, not even the ones Belgium is going to have. Why? Because they elected better politicians. Their politicians did what they had to. In Belgium, the elected politicians didn't. And whose choice was that? The people chose the politicians. In the two times I've participated in the elections, I voted for two different opposition parties. Still, I am responsible for the other elected politicians who formed the government too.

Of course the banking system must be regulated stronger than it was. This is not relevant however.

I talk to you with arguments, and you with ironic
so speak yourself...

No, I mean it serious, not that such a party can have success in public, but that people can change things !

1) If politicians lie to the people and make then disastrous policy which is the punish to them?
NONE

2) PASOK got the same votes that took in the elections of 2007 when he came second with 6% difference due to the high absenteeism of voters disgusted with the political system

3)the first party bonus with 50 Members regardless what percentage took

4)Well along with the mass propaganda from all the big media, assurances that all went well and false promises is hard (was) difficult to escape the dual partie system

So if you want to take all the responsibility and not seeing the weaknesses of the political and economic system be my guest...:)

The problem with parties is that they have total solutions and good programs for all ...
a party may have a good suggestion for an issue but other issues have been misplaced...

Yes, and also that people sheep and democracy is crap.

i aggree...
west type dicomatic democracy is crap...
But if there where referendums about serius issues the ciizens would be more Citizens and informed and less sheeps...
And of course would be more responsible about their decisions...