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had a right to prosecute that crime
Travelling on an unarmed ship is international waters is not a crime.
Attacking a civilian vessel in international waters is, however, a crime.
Travelling on an unarmed ship is international waters is not a crime.
Attacking a civilian vessel in international waters is, however, a crime.
Gaza has a border with Egypt and the West Bank has a border with Jordan.
Egypt seal the border with Gaza because of the radical Hamas.
The border between Jordan and the West Bank completely open and Israeli Arabs and Palestinians use it to exit to the world without a problem and Entered Israel to work .
The closure of Gaza is because they fired missiles on Israeli civilians and because the kidnapped Israeli soldier did not get any basic human rights and even the Red Cross is not allowed to check on him , despite Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons get more then International conventions and make BA at Israel's expense .
But as I said , don't let the facts to Interfere your Anti-Semitic nonsense .
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Egypt seal the border with Gaza because of the radical Hamas.
The border between Jordan and the West Bank completely open and Israeli Arabs and Palestinians use it to exit to the world without a problem and Entered Israel to work .
The closure of Gaza is because they fired missiles on Israeli civilians and because the kidnapped Israeli soldier did not get any basic human rights and even the Red Cross is not allowed to check on him , despite Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons get more then International conventions and make BA at Israel's expense .
But as I said , don't let the facts to Interfere your Anti-Semitic nonsense .
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Charles... I don't fully agree on how the Israeli handled the situation but I think you are overreacting with that link and signature... stop it...
PS: if not, a moderator should
PS: if not, a moderator should
Stop spaming this thread idiot
Geert Wilders is the man !
Geert Wilders is the man !
That signature is 1 of the best weapons against Israel and I hope many will rememeber when they are in a shop to buy stuf. Break them financially, it worked before with South-Afrika so it can work again :)
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Geert Wilders is the man !
I know what you are already ... AND STOP LIVING YOU IDIOT!!
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I know what you are already ... AND STOP LIVING YOU IDIOT!!
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And we understand what are you long ago
It seems your family were handing over jews to the Nazis and you would have keeping doing that if you can
It seems your family were handing over jews to the Nazis and you would have keeping doing that if you can
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You are obviously very ill-informed on the practices of the Singaporean army."
lol... I am not ill-informed lol... I trained them at some point.
I'm not the one feeding on sensationalist media, I am the actual person on the field who taught them a bit of what the know. lol... It must hurt you to realise that you have no clue except what you see on TV. lol...
You are obviously very ill-informed on the practices of the Singaporean army."
lol... I am not ill-informed lol... I trained them at some point.
I'm not the one feeding on sensationalist media, I am the actual person on the field who taught them a bit of what the know. lol... It must hurt you to realise that you have no clue except what you see on TV. lol...
As far as I know Israeli government confirmed, that after weapon-checking the supplies they will passed them to Gaza.
There is no problem with supplying Gaza, the problem is with potential threats that come with it...if red cross/crescent were involved/managing the operation it would've been tottally different. You simply can't invade another country's private territorry without being previously accepted!! Imagine Russians sending suddenly 20 ships in Canada's direction, saying that it's just some food, clothes and money for the Russians who live in Canada, but you can't check what they are carrying.
the thing is that this massive convoy was partly meant as a protest against another humanitarian crime israel is doing: keeping the humanitarian aid out of gaza. Just as much as the israeli's could have reasonably expected that this was a weapons shipment, the ones who sent the humanitarian aid reasonably expected that the aid will never end up with the palestines if they had surrendered. And further: now you have a perfectly good strategy to justify everything and all with self-defence: send in one israeli into a mass of pissed off protestors (provide with plenty of body armor beforehand, the stuff they use to train dogs will do fine), wait for 10 seconds to let him beat up a bit and let your guns rip. Because it was self defence.
Second, to all who say it was justified from israel's POV, this is precisely the point. From israel's POV, everything is justified. Understandably, they have been at war for 50 years (and within their own minds, probably never without a war), so they have a slight skewed judgement. It is not about what is understandable from their pov, because that can justify for about anything. Pre-emptive nuclear strike on iran included ("wouldn't you have wanted that your contry did the same thing in this situation" - "well, I very much hope my country never lead me to this situation"). Further, you have to extend the pov-arguement to the palestines, and then you'll end up in a discussion where israeli's try to convince you that the law of force only applies when you are israeli, not when you are arab.
edit: anyway, it is about nuance in your response. Boarding, ok. Shooting back with live fire when your ill-planned boarding action fails, bad.
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There is no problem with supplying Gaza, the problem is with potential threats that come with it...if red cross/crescent were involved/managing the operation it would've been tottally different. You simply can't invade another country's private territorry without being previously accepted!! Imagine Russians sending suddenly 20 ships in Canada's direction, saying that it's just some food, clothes and money for the Russians who live in Canada, but you can't check what they are carrying.
the thing is that this massive convoy was partly meant as a protest against another humanitarian crime israel is doing: keeping the humanitarian aid out of gaza. Just as much as the israeli's could have reasonably expected that this was a weapons shipment, the ones who sent the humanitarian aid reasonably expected that the aid will never end up with the palestines if they had surrendered. And further: now you have a perfectly good strategy to justify everything and all with self-defence: send in one israeli into a mass of pissed off protestors (provide with plenty of body armor beforehand, the stuff they use to train dogs will do fine), wait for 10 seconds to let him beat up a bit and let your guns rip. Because it was self defence.
Second, to all who say it was justified from israel's POV, this is precisely the point. From israel's POV, everything is justified. Understandably, they have been at war for 50 years (and within their own minds, probably never without a war), so they have a slight skewed judgement. It is not about what is understandable from their pov, because that can justify for about anything. Pre-emptive nuclear strike on iran included ("wouldn't you have wanted that your contry did the same thing in this situation" - "well, I very much hope my country never lead me to this situation"). Further, you have to extend the pov-arguement to the palestines, and then you'll end up in a discussion where israeli's try to convince you that the law of force only applies when you are israeli, not when you are arab.
edit: anyway, it is about nuance in your response. Boarding, ok. Shooting back with live fire when your ill-planned boarding action fails, bad.
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I don't hate people for what they are, like almost everyone else, so I don't have any problems with jews. Calling jews and zionists the same is 1 of the zionist lies.
Compiling Zionist Lies And Answering Them (link)
Compiling Zionist Lies And Answering Them (link)
Don't let your hatered confuse you with the facts ;-)
Zionist plots (btw, I'm almost certain you have no idea what the word means), Jews ruling the world banks, media and atm the US government, similar situation between Israel and S.Africa... you keep it up mate. :)
BTW, the only reason we Israelis get away with so many crimes against humanity is only because our opposition are simpletons like you! ;-)
Zionist plots (btw, I'm almost certain you have no idea what the word means), Jews ruling the world banks, media and atm the US government, similar situation between Israel and S.Africa... you keep it up mate. :)
BTW, the only reason we Israelis get away with so many crimes against humanity is only because our opposition are simpletons like you! ;-)
The ship, not the passengers. There's a difference between small arms and ship-mounted weaponry, but that's neither here nor there.
The crew and passengers of a ship are always well within their rights to choose to repel any form of attack in international waters.
The crew and passengers of a ship are always well within their rights to choose to repel any form of attack in international waters.
it depends on how you define arms to determine whether it is unarmed or not. i consider taking up arms as armed, whether they are improvised or modern weaponry
and i'm pretty sure attempting to enter a country without permission is a crime
and i'm pretty sure attempting to enter a country without permission is a crime