Subject: »Gaza sea convoy incident

This is not nice, you are completely ignoring what I write in reply to your posts.
There is no doubt that the video here-above was put together with music to create an effect, but it is meant for you and not for us Israelis. What you see in those pictures is nothing new to us because we see it every day as part of our lives... and NOT on TV. We live together with them. We are completely mixed together. Here in Israel the government and media can NOT sell us any stories about the conditions in Gaza or west bank because we are completely mingled with them.
Only two months ago I was offered a job in a Jewish town in the middle of the west bank. I drove there passing through villages and towns witnessing living conditions and life styles all along the way. I don't need the media to show me propaganda movies... that same reporter might be one of my soldiers in the next military reserve duty I (and he) do twice a year, so his ass will be toast if he lies. We are a tiny tiny country and you can't hide anything from anyone.

maybe that's wh we don't have peadophiles ;-)

wow, that picture can be taken out of context so much i don't know what to call it except propaganda

I am so annoyed with your sig, I'm going to Tesco's and buying every Israeli product that is useful to me.

since when "civilians" attack soldiers(who used only paintball guns untill they had no other choice) with guns/knifes/bricks/poles.


Since 1806, at the very least :P
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http://www.youtube.com/v/XN2fqe4oWsI
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You probably already did so that won't make any difference. I hope to reach people that didn't know before but do now :)

but they never called themselves peace activist...

Terrorist! ;)

I don't believe in this kind of initiatives. I don't want Israelis to lose their jobs. I also don't want foreigners trading with Israel to lose their jobs. I only want the state of Israel to stop behaving this way, but nothing else.

a reply to your post:

1) it's the staunchness which the israelis and jews everywhere defend this policy and the endless self-righteousness that provokes the fierceness of the reactions. Israels strategy doesn't work, other terrorist problems around the world (like the irish, who were blamed here not to know what they were talking about) got solved in the mean time, yet israel keeps using the same strategy. We also have a good idea what israels demography thinks about the situation (civilians giving interviews to the international press doesn't do their cause any good) and we know what a racist talks like. That is one thing the western world knows very well. So our reactions have to be seen in this light.

2) Propaganda. I already told you what I think about the general israeli response to any diverging informantion.

3) I can't really blame you for not being told this, but well.. Israel doesn't wage its wars with civilian casualties in mind. Only on camera they do. Maybe it's the environment, maybe it's the slumbering hard core hatred and racism amongst the soldiers, maybe it's the limiting fighting conditions your leaders put onto you as soldiers. The one who provided the white phosphor for a daytime fight is as much to blame as the one firing it. Maybe it is all of the above.
As a captian you problably can tell me (or can't, of course) how it is possible to accidentally miss a suspected terrorist with an attack helicopter and shoot into a nearby building? And I don't automatically blame the pilots in this hypothetical example, maybe the people in charge didn't think this as a priority... But I've seen bombs of the americans and vids of helicopter attacks who could target a single room or a single guy with a mortar in a busy street. What's the difficulty in trying not to shoot into a school?
Also, why not a clean sniper shot instead of a full on rocket strike on a car in the middle of rush hour?
I don't think western propaganda is to blame for israel's image of crowd control.

4) Interesting and very good point. I can talk a lot about this, if you want. Lots of it have to do with nuanced reactions to this and the place you give to different cultures in your society. I understand this is a difficult topic in israel right now.

5) yep, egypt, have thought about this as well. Arab doesn't neccesarily equal arab. The wall is a disgrace, though.
One part of the country stinkin rich, 1 kilometer away just stinking. I think that is the root of your problem. Everything else is just trying to justify your actions.
I think the wall was the solution to which a problem was to be found. I think the wall is the problem now. Related to my remarks on point 4. Problem is easy, solution harder.

6) have replied to this. Provoked? understandable. Actions justified? reasonable. Deaths justified? Hell no. What moral rule set do you employ? 8 year old?

7) Turkey. Not applicable to me. But I sense a tendency of you (and many amongst your compatriots) to justify everything with history. While history is interesting as a reference, it is its application and the nuance by which you do it that is most important.
Also, Turkey used to be israels friends and thus all turks should be our friend and because I want turkey to be our friend and because I respect them, they should be friendly towards us... (this is the basic flow of your argument no. 7, is it?) This sounds awful racist to me. Turkey /= any turk you meet, or the other way around. Stop embodying every nationality with its nation. Same goes for the palestines. Or for yourself.

Peace

it seems that this "incident" (wonder why it is named as incident...) took place in international waters, a place where israel does not have any right

of course further investigations have to be done...

they tied in their interests with those of ordinary people.

Pfff

a) Boycotting is irrational
b) Boycotting doesn't benefit our own economic status
c) Boycotting punishes people that weren't responsible for this deed

Stop spouting your irrational bigotry and hatred

Pictures you won't find in the Media:

if our media and europe is skewed, why does israel then apply to the european championship and not the africa cup?
this is a geographical nonsense.
So I guess you admire us :)