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if our media and europe is skewed, why does israel then apply to the european championship and not the africa cup?
this is a geographical nonsense.
So I guess you admire us :)
this is a geographical nonsense.
So I guess you admire us :)
It was 60 miles form Haifa.
And as everyone knows where they are going, we had every right to stop them.
And as everyone knows where they are going, we had every right to stop them.
Boycotting is fantastic way to put financial presure on a gouverment, change or go bankrupted. Let's see how many people keep supporting a gouverment that is responsable for losing their jobs.
Some of you might find this interesting...
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994
14. Neutral waters consist of the internal waters, territorial sea, and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of neutral States. Neutral airspace consists of the airspace over neutral waters and the land territory of neutral States.
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Neutral merchant vessels
67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:
(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.
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146. Neutral merchant vessels are subject to capture outside neutral waters if they are engaged in any of the activities referred to in paragraph 67 or if it is determined as a result of visit and search or by other means, that they:
(a) are carrying contraband;
(b) are on a voyage especially undertaken with a view to the transport of individual passengers who are embodied in the armed forces of the enemy;
(c) are operating directly under enemy control, orders, charter, employment or direction;
(d) present irregular or fraudulent documents, lack necessary documents, or destroy, deface or conceal documents;
(e) are violating regulations established by a belligerent within the immediate area of naval operations; or
(f) are breaching or attempting to breach a blockade.
Capture of a neutral merchant vessel is exercised by taking such vessel as prize for adjudication.
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994
14. Neutral waters consist of the internal waters, territorial sea, and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of neutral States. Neutral airspace consists of the airspace over neutral waters and the land territory of neutral States.
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Neutral merchant vessels
67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:
(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.
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146. Neutral merchant vessels are subject to capture outside neutral waters if they are engaged in any of the activities referred to in paragraph 67 or if it is determined as a result of visit and search or by other means, that they:
(a) are carrying contraband;
(b) are on a voyage especially undertaken with a view to the transport of individual passengers who are embodied in the armed forces of the enemy;
(c) are operating directly under enemy control, orders, charter, employment or direction;
(d) present irregular or fraudulent documents, lack necessary documents, or destroy, deface or conceal documents;
(e) are violating regulations established by a belligerent within the immediate area of naval operations; or
(f) are breaching or attempting to breach a blockade.
Capture of a neutral merchant vessel is exercised by taking such vessel as prize for adjudication.
Start a boycott with Sokker? Stinks of failure to me.
It was 60 miles form Haifa.
And as everyone knows where they are going, we had every right to stop them.
no, no, no, stop.
60 miles from Haifa?
you said that, it is not yet proved that the ship was in israeli waters.
if the ship was in international waters (as it really seems to be) israeli army didn't have a single right to do what they have done
And as everyone knows where they are going, we had every right to stop them.
no, no, no, stop.
60 miles from Haifa?
you said that, it is not yet proved that the ship was in israeli waters.
if the ship was in international waters (as it really seems to be) israeli army didn't have a single right to do what they have done
Correct - Israel were with their rights.
and if the blockade itself is deemed illegal?
Unbelievable that there are 9 or more people killed without reason and that some still defend it.
Do you think I'm the only 1 on the internet trying to make this boycott a succes? :P lol
dospho, if you have been paying attention, you'd know that they were helping terrorists and thus they were terrorrists themselves!
All is legal. Nothing to see here.
All is legal. Nothing to see here.
i trust your post is full of sarcasm/cynism :)
Anyway, Israël will surely set up a 100% neutral commission that will find out that they were in their right and only shot in self defense.
Anyway, Israël will surely set up a 100% neutral commission that will find out that they were in their right and only shot in self defense.
sorry, but in international waters there cannot be any kind of blockade
then, the article you posted considers ships outside neutral waters.
the vessel was sailing in international (neutral) waters, so i don't see how israeli army could have the right to attack the ship
then, the article you posted considers ships outside neutral waters.
the vessel was sailing in international (neutral) waters, so i don't see how israeli army could have the right to attack the ship
even if they were in Israël's water, they would have had the right to capture but NEVER to kill. They make me sick to my stomach.
you misunderstood.
Neutral waters = territorial waters. Outside those waters a ship can not be attacked, unless...
blablabla breaching blockade
Neutral waters = territorial waters. Outside those waters a ship can not be attacked, unless...
blablabla breaching blockade
Sorry, really don't know whether blockade could be illegal...
Blockade could be a war crime if the occupying power doesn't act in accordance with Fourth Geneva Convention.
Blockade could be a war crime if the occupying power doesn't act in accordance with Fourth Geneva Convention.