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the biggest issue, imo, is the illegal settlements. More than anything else, it gives the palestines (and the rest of the world) the idea that israel can do anything it likes and doens't have to account for its wrongs. This is no basis for real trust.
Second, the terrible living conditions inside the gaza strip, and to a lesser extent the west bank. Living conditions and the economical situation as a whole deteriorated due to israeli interference. This is a slate they'll have to wipe clean before the two countries can go on.
Remember what 'caused' the second WW. The feeding ground of the relentless anti-semtism and the hunger for self-control over the destiny of the own nation came directly through the humiliation of the damages that had to be paid after the first WW. Not the loss of the great war itself, but the economic consequences and the reasons for it that people made, lead to the second great war and to the holocaust.
Because of this, the victors of the second war realised that the only possible way forward, was to rebuild germany's economy. If they had left it in rubble again, a new warlike mentality would have arised very quickly. The union for coal and steel (claiming the rich coal regions was one of the major military targets in each of the previous wars) was the first step of cooperation. Share an economic fate and you share the way both your countries are heading.
IMO, this is the way israel need to go into. Not the one of unilateral action.
Does 'palestine' want this? - the right question is: 'did the nazi-germans want this?' and 'did it happen anyway and not without succes?' (or 'the french'?)
Sometimes you have to go for the ultimate goal, and don't waste effort on the distractions.
And so yes, sometimes the end justifies the means. Depends on what the ends are..
Second, the terrible living conditions inside the gaza strip, and to a lesser extent the west bank. Living conditions and the economical situation as a whole deteriorated due to israeli interference. This is a slate they'll have to wipe clean before the two countries can go on.
Remember what 'caused' the second WW. The feeding ground of the relentless anti-semtism and the hunger for self-control over the destiny of the own nation came directly through the humiliation of the damages that had to be paid after the first WW. Not the loss of the great war itself, but the economic consequences and the reasons for it that people made, lead to the second great war and to the holocaust.
Because of this, the victors of the second war realised that the only possible way forward, was to rebuild germany's economy. If they had left it in rubble again, a new warlike mentality would have arised very quickly. The union for coal and steel (claiming the rich coal regions was one of the major military targets in each of the previous wars) was the first step of cooperation. Share an economic fate and you share the way both your countries are heading.
IMO, this is the way israel need to go into. Not the one of unilateral action.
Does 'palestine' want this? - the right question is: 'did the nazi-germans want this?' and 'did it happen anyway and not without succes?' (or 'the french'?)
Sometimes you have to go for the ultimate goal, and don't waste effort on the distractions.
And so yes, sometimes the end justifies the means. Depends on what the ends are..
I didn't say all Abar are liars , and not that different opinion is lair .
Just in that case she is lying because her participating , other decent people that were on the ship and the films from there tells the true story
Just in that case she is lying because her participating , other decent people that were on the ship and the films from there tells the true story
she doesn't seem like the most credible witness of them all, but let's wait what turns out..
Some seem like a bit too eager to nail israel to the cross and that doesn't do their side of the story any good.
Some seem like a bit too eager to nail israel to the cross and that doesn't do their side of the story any good.
The biggest problem is apartheid, being a secondhand civillian in your own country. Not having the same rights, specially not when it's you against the protected neighbour with the most modern weapons.
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Funny to see Turks who slaughtered 2,000,000 Armenian in a couple of weeks and bombed and kill Kurdish civilians with airplanes only a month ago and conquered half of Cyprus are preachung morality to Israel :)
Ata-Turk would have turned in his grave if he saw what became of your country lately
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Ata-Turk would have turned in his grave if he saw what became of your country lately
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seriously, if you have nothing to say - just shut up. or maybe we should start posting videos about Turks?
It wasn't him who started posting stupid vids about filled stores in Gaza!! Protect the zionists because of ... eeuuhh I really don't know?? Comment the right 1 if you need someone to blame!
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People here should learn one thing: It's not because someone else does bad that it makes you any better. All the accusing and blaming each other here is really childish. GROW UP.
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