Subject: Intelligent Political Discussion Thread

Good to know, thanks :) and how are countries like Argentina or Brasil handling the crisis? Is it tough?

@noeok
well the thing is, that it's not a speculation - all I wrote is facts, you can check it in the link that I posted ;-)

in every democratic state there is separation between religion and politics.
If Israel don't agree with that they put their democracy on the same level of Saudi Arabia, Iran or Sudan

Lets be logical, if over 2.5M Palestinians were to cross over to Israel and live with us in harmony what do you think will happen ?
they will gain majority after 20 years(dont forget there are over 1M Arabs in Israel already.
How long after that do you think Israel will become a non democratic state ?
And I am not even talking about the fact it will destroy our economy and will change everything around here. It will take our home away from house the only state that is Jewish will be gone and all jews will have to find new homes. Is that logic?

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Where I live an incredible huge part is chinese (They were bought to build Panama Channel I think an came here). I don't see China trying to reclaim California. I think that 5 milllion of Mexicans live in LA. I don't see Mexico claiming Los Angeles. I don't see Paraguay claiming a state of Argentina (that I don't mention it since it doesn't make a point), how about turkish people in Germany, or I don't know how many Argentineans in Spain.

I forgot!!!!!!!!!! arabs are evil people. That is why.

There is a separation.
Most of Israelis are non religious and have no intend to be

As far as I know Brasil is growing and big, lots of industrialization. The problem with Brasil is polarization, redistribution of wealth is not that efficient.

In Argentina we don't have that problem, we don't have wealth at all so we don't need to redistribute anything at all :P. Argentina is about to face a crisis, there is a huge inflation. The government continuously tries to demonize sectors, it is always you are with us or against us, it is a nice way to keep people busy.

In Belgium we won also some german land (3 villages and something)

but that are just freaks like Neo nazis.

Every idea, even the stupid ones, have some supporters (even I got 9 votes for the election of belgian bc).

Nobody takes them serious and as long they don't have a big forum, the best is to ignore

There is a big difference, Arabs are trying to kill us for 60 years now.
All of the wars beside 1 was started by the Arab nations.
It is in their religion to kill us(not really, some one is messing with their minds).

We have refugees from Darfur, Beduins, Drusim and lots of Arabs already in Israel.

So tell me please why Arabs don't recognize Israel as Jewish state ?
Even Egypt and Jordan that have peace agreement with us , don't recognize Israel as jewish state ?
All the other world does

In 1 post you say Isarel is a Jewish state and now you say most Israelis are non-religious.

ummm.........

Omg, those guys actually exist? ( didn't read the Wiki-page, too long for this time :p ) So they actually want East-Prussia to be German again?

I am a Jewish and also an atheist, same goes for most of Jewish people.
Being Jewish isnt only a religion but also a nationality.

Jews came from Jehuda which was a tribe in Israel, the rest of the tribes were lost over time and after being expelled from Israel by one leader or another.
Therefore Jews is a nationality same as religion, if I didnt explain it good enough let me know and I will try again

yes ;-)

Maybe hard to understand for people who don't live in Israel.

so a muslim whose family live already since 6 generations in israel is Jewish and Muslim?

He is an Israeli. in order to be an Jewish you have to be born to a member of Jehuda tribe.

Because that's how it is .
Isael is a state for jews but most of us non-religious .

Democracy is measured by the conduct and laws of the state , and not by definition .
Some states in Europe have cross on their flag , this mean it's not democratic ?

I try to make a difference between Israeli ( Jews + atheist Jews as you call them ) and the Jews. It's not because you live in Israel, that you are a Jew. But that doesn't mean you don't think Jewish culture isn't important. Just like I am not a Christian ( I'm not religious ), but that doesn't mean I don't think Christianity or the Christian traditions and values aren't important. So basically, I am an atheist, who thinks that Christian values and moral is important ( might sound weird ). And I guess that's the same as you are an atheist, who think Jewish values are important, without actually being a religious Jew.

Of course, that's my point of view. Maybe you don't make the difference I do.