Subject: Intelligent Political Discussion Thread

I don't think you will ever care to read the whole thread, because nothing you read there would change your extreme position.
This is a thread of debate, but debate can be made only by people who care to exchange opinions.

Don't bother.

no, I thought that Isreal is defender.... at the past... but then I started read more and open my mind... I stop reading just one media, I started read more media and then I see pictures, facts and so....
so my opinion change after I obtained more information.

Sorry, but maybe you should read more too, not just press of your government :-(

Ahh I get it.

Great fairness mods.

Only PRO- ISreali Videos seems to be posted here but the moment a video that shows the other side is posted you guys remove it!

What fairness! Thanks! :P

you only have yourself to blame, your sarcastic and bigoted posts clearly show that, and you clearly have made no effort on intelligent discussion nor open-minded debate

Cosbo War? I suppose you're suggesting the war in former Yugoslavia. Well, I meant mostly Western Europe, but since then, Eastern Europe has become more and more civilized I think.

Guys like you and rumpil ruin this topic for everyone. I was having an interesting conversation with the Israeli users ... let it that way.

that is problem also in another games... this is maybe not plan... just all world is mostly brainwashed so everybody think that Israel is good and all information with opposite opinions are terrorism.

In difficult political topics, should be just very clever, maybe older and wise mods :-)

I publish at another game video about ISLAM spreading to Europe, it was just video with facts nothing more, nothing aggresive and I got ban for 3 days there :-(

I was just about to say that. I have tried to establish that most people here aren't anti-Israel or pro-Hamas so that we could do away with a lot of the nonsense, then they come in here and start it all up again.

you probably should never post anything about islam, and if you really have to, with the greatest discretion. in my experience they are quite easily offended, especially if it regards the prophet muhammad

That he shouldn't, agree, but ... If someone wants to make a cartoon of their prophet, no problem, they make cartoons about Christians, Jews, etc. too, so everyone should be equally offended ;-)

lol, i can assure you many cartoons about christians and jews have already been made :P

OK... why OSN are doing nothing against Isreal genocide actions which we can see many years ?????

When Serbia did light version of what is doing Israel now they were very fast destroyed !!!

I don't know what you read.

I live in a very open minded society. We do not get or pay attention to government press.
In fact the only TV station that the government "owns" has ratings of very few percents.
We get all the information from all over the world, and also from first sources.

Some of the videos that are publicised now were taken from the security cams on the ship. Those who were not destroyed by the "peace makers knife holders" on board.

I understand that yiou changed your mind, but don't you think you had fallen into the trap of propaganda yourself? Could there be a possiblity?

Remember Muhamad Dura?
Are you aware that this was a staged scene, proved by French TV, not by my government?

How about me to agree with you? We are absolutely not defenders.

Our government must have been sending troops to infilrate into Gaza, send missiles onto our civilians and take pictures of it.
They probably even shot our own soldiers from the air, after sending the missiles.

It is most likely that our government trained suicide bombers, just in order to justify the blocking walls.

And it is maybe our government who asked Iran to send more missiles. This way our government could make an excuse to declare a sea blokade. The reason was probably for the chance that someday, innocent humanitarians, which wanted to visit Gaza for fun, would become tourists in Ashdod. We need them to spend their money here.

No we're not defenders.
If our soldiers are attacked personally, they did not have to wait 10 full minutes before they got permission to defend their own life. I think I should agree with you that they just had to give up their life for the human rights to smuggle missiles into Gaza.

BTW, maybe this is a mistake. It would cost much less to not bother. Let'm bring the missiles in. shoot at us. The whole project would be much cheaper and simpler.

like i said, usa is a permanent member of the UN security council, and very probably any sanctions proposed are vetoed

http://alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE6521UG.htm

Look who is telling that truth story - Andrea Abu-Halil
I believe you can't associate him to Israeli propagandist
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Unfortunately, Israel has to take the UN seriously, although the UN cannot take pride of really Uniting the Nations.

How many civil right organization operate in Arab coutries? I mean really operating.
Do you know how many Israeli organizations are active here? Do you know that the court system is open for them many times against the government?

Did the UNESCO staff in Gaza, ever report when their supply was snatch by Hamas militants?
Did they complain when Hamas shot rockets from their premises?

Did the red cross pay a visit to Gilad Shalit?
Did the UN ever tried to politelty ask for permission to visit?

Does Israel allow the UN, Red Cross, families, lawyers to meet prisoners that still declare that when they go out they'll not stop activities against Israel?

Does Israel allow goods to enter Gaza?
Was it Israel who attacked the border crossings?

Does Israel provide electricity to Gaza?
Do the Gaza people use electricity to manufacture rockets and dig smuggling tunnels?
Does Hamas shoot the electric power station?

Now, those of you who answer this honestly, please tell me honestly. Even though I truly and genuinly want to have peace, and that I support exhchange of occuppied territories for peace, what would you do if were in our place with neighbours who actually don't really want to talk.
Would you sit up like ducks and wait to be killed?