Subject: Intelligent Political Discussion Thread

Btw, I found back what I was looking for: I am a racist according to you. Now you can make a guess who said this:

Our ancestors fought back when yours were still swinging in the trees without an opposing thumb and will continue to do so when the dust settles over the remains of many other countries and nations, as happened before to Babylon, Assyria or The Ottoman Empire. As they say in ancient Chinese... Bring it on! ...only this time with a smile!

It was a joke, grow up. :)

When you compare Israel and Zionists to sweet Hitler and his movement what exactly did you think will happen ? I guess you thought we should give you a big hug. when you ignore history and twist every thing we say the wrong way, like we want peace, "OH Hamas must want peace to". Wrong !!! Hamas wants Israel gone with its people well under sea.
I already told you what an idiot prime minister agreed to give which was:
1) 1 billion dollars to refugees( unbelievable, since its their own fault, explained it already as well, and like always you decided to ignore that.)
2) 96% of the territory asked by them. Now please explain to me how can someone ask so much and wont agree to any change in his offer. to remind you on that ground we have at least 500,000 people leaving there. for a state of 6 million thats a big amount .
3) The idiot even agreed to dividing Jerusalem, our capitol.
What did those peace loving Palestinians do ?

They said a big fat no, and started another blood bath. So the world was with us for almost a year but after we started an operation to get pressure on suicide bombers the pressure changed back to us.

Israel is committing genocide ? you must be joking .
It will take us 5 days tops to demolish all of Gaza from the air, instead what do we do?
In the last war with Gaza only 1400 killed, more then half of them were terrorists. this is almost impossible since they using people as human shield.
During that war more then 100,000 phone calls were made to Palestinians to let them know their house or it surrounding will be destroyed and they should clear the place in an hour.
Half of the time it ment most of the ammunition left the house already but so did the people.
More the 2,000,0000 pamphlets were thrown down making it clear this area will be targeted.

Now let me ask you this, did you know Israel has an operation called knock on the roof ?
Let me explain to you how it works, a family of a soon to be bombed house call all their friends and ask them to come over because they got a call that the house with its bombs is going to be destroyed. The neighbors come and every one is having a nice time on the roof, our helis already already at the scene, wanting to bomb the bomb supply like it was ordered, but OH NO!!
So the IDF get on another heli with a small missile on it which he lunches on the side of the roof, if it scares the inhabitants of the roof and they ran away, we will destroy that house, if not the house will be spared. That sounds like an act of people who are afraid of us ?
When I see a large gathering I hope a terrorist wont be close and maybe I should not go close to those people.
Can you see the difference ?

I am a Zionist and proud of it. I want every Jewish man and woman to come to Israel. We need them badly, were only 5 millions while our neighbors are 140M.

I never compared Israel to Hitler ... I compare dividing people into good and bad just because their opinion or what they stand for is like Hitler. Learn to read ...

I still have to see that British plan from '21 ... So I can't comment on things I don't believe unless you can show it to me.

Did I say Israel is committing genocide? No ...

Thats mere semantics... Hitler separation involved camps and deaths, there is separation all over the world. Why dont you let all refugee from Darfur go to Belgium ? or take on as much of Africa population as you can ?
British plan doesnt have anything with the borders just the fact the western civilization of the time( which was exploitative and didnt care much for right and fair) decided on the borders that has nothing with what should and would happen.

Do you even care to see that the west bank who doest hold to many suicide bombs is living a really good life ? much better than most of the Arabs countries around the world ?
All you care is for poor Gaza who lunches missiles every day on Israel. If some one would lunch missiles on your country what exactly would you expect your country to do? perhaps turn the other chick ? BTW most of the time that is what we do, it took 8 years of missiles, kidnapping an IDF solider off Israel soil and only then we started that war.
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1. Why should all refugees from Darfur come to Belgium?
2. Then how does the other Israeli guy know the Arabs got 96%?
3. You start being ridiculous again ( everybody is against us ), so I'm out of here.

1. Why should all refugees from Darfur come to Belgium?

Because other countries like Canada are accepting them, are you want to be nice.
Also because Europe (and like it or not you are part of the EU) made big mistakes in Africa (and in Asia as well), although Sudan is not one of them.
Also a lot of those refuges are Christians being persecute by Muslims and you are Christian, you should help each other.


I read in some place that a Arab president was unhappy with Arafat (talking about thieves, he was a big one) because he put down a offer that was OK for the Palestinians.

To one of the Israeli:
The Jewish people is not the only people who is there after lot of years. The Assyrians are still alive as a people (oppressed by the Iranians, who oppress in they territory but give money for freedom fighter = terrorists). Israel was a Big Kingdom felt down and go back after 2000 years. Same can happen to them.

1. Why not? separation is idiotic. if you want us to get all Palestinians to Israel, why not all African to Belgium, why didnt you let Turkey be a member of the Euro ?
Is it maybe because you know by doing that, Belgium wont exist as Belgium ?
Palestinians has a rightful claim to join Israel as African has to join Belgium. When we formed Israel, we declared Those who wants to help us Israel who isnt Jewish is welcomed to stay.
Arab nation told them to move away until they will kill us. If some one is moving away and joining the army of an opposing side, do you realy think I should give him his house back once his plan didnt work ???????

2. I said it is 96% of what they asked, I am not saying thats what they should get.
I said it was an idiotic move that only made them want more.
After we moved 200,000 citizens out of the their homes, we thought we will get peace since Gaza got what they wanted, instead we got missiles.


3. You think we live in Europe where every one is fed up with war, we are fed up with it.
The other side isnt, they want war, they want their people to die. if you die while fighting Israel you get 72 virgins, who is in the right mind wont go for that deal (I just hope it is male virgins, and it is gods sick little joke).
So yes if you still can say Israel is wrong for taking over the cruise, if you still call the cruise humanitarian, you still think were not seeing straight because our media is controlled by the government, your still say separation is bad ( though you want aid Africans to come to your country), your still saying 9 people dead is enough for you to point fingers at the blame, though you refuse to accept the photos from IDF and refuse to see the pictures.
Yes I do think you see the world only from your point of view, which doesnt leave this arguments much room, I dont have to see here that I am right and your wrong, in your opinion I should make sure no one will ever die, unless it is on the Israeli side.

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I still have to see that British plan from '21 ... So I can't comment on things I don't believe unless you can show it to me.

I google British Palestine and I got this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine

I haven't read it but may be is what you are looking for (I suppose you are not looking for the real paper that is 90yo)

but african people have never lived in Belgiium. so they can't return to belgium either. And there is enough space in their country for them too, if the problems are solved their.
The palastenian refugees lived in Jeruzalem, and live now in an overcrowded camp.
Not so hard to see the difference?

They live in overcrowd refuges camps in Africa too. The only difference is that you don't see them on TV.

Are you Christian? You should help a fellow Christian in need like a lot of those African people who lost everything there.

You are asking another people something you are not willing to give yourself, that bad.

The only reason they live in over crowded camps it is because of them.
All over the world the UN is responsible for refugees, their main goal is let them start a new life.
Like Darfurs who came to Israel and settle here, or those who came to Canada.
For Palestinians there is a different organization called unrah(I dont know the name in English), their sole purpose is to stick those Palestinians in those camp and make sure they will stay miserable.

And why they want to be the people in the camp miserable?

the task of the un is to let return refugees to their houses on a safe way. Why they should go to another country?

I just red they found on some bodys of people who were killed by the israeli attack more then 30 bullets.
Shooting 30 times on someone with an iron stick is called self defence?

BTW I think you do get it right.
20% of the world is using 80% of the world resources, thats bad.
So many live on less then 2 dollars a day.
So many deaths because of not having fresh water, or worse of no water at all.
Famine every where you look.

Its much easier to control them that way, learn them its because of Israel and convince them to become suicide bombers.

a christian should not help only christian people. That is just the main message of the blieve help all people without making difference between etnic or religion.

I think it is more important to do something at the conflict so they can return to their houses.
Ok, I agree there are not enough international efforts to solve the conflict.
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