Subject: Intelligent Political Discussion Thread

My opinion is formed by info from all sides. Yes I hate zionists, I made that very clear. And not only zionists but every extremist. But because of my interest in religion and by that ofcourse also Israel (you can't get around it) I watch as many docu's as possible to gain more info.

I will give you a good example. God is for me as true as unicorns. But all around the world people are at war because of their god, or gods. I could have closed my eyes and keep shouting it's all bullshit OR I start a biblestudy (already busy for 1.5 years, ±2 hours a week) to learn more and even give them a chance to change me. But the more I learn the more I'm sure it's not true (my person opinion). What I gained by this all is that I now know not only 1 side of the story but also the other side and I can use info from both sides in discussions.

If your absolutely sure of your truth no info can change that so you can watch it all, right?

And I'm not here to discusse this situation any longer, it can only make me angry :) I only posted this docu's to give people more info who are interested. More info is more knowledge (in this case). So see for yourself, I don't care if you don't want to learn more and stay ignorant.

Unicorns exist! They just entered the sea and became narwhals!

In all seriousness, religion is a pretty touchy subject, especially for Islam.

Yes, your country doesn't recognise ours but that is not the case the other way around.
I think you're more than welcome :)

he is not

Israel doesn't allow Malaysian citizens

so now if you would just send over some money....

you need some sort of special application, but malaysians have gone to israel before

related to that

I couldn't get into Malaysia with my first passport because of the Israel visas I had

Funny how you call my life experineces ignorance.
I say that YOU do not really exist - it is about as valid.

The mention of unicorns and religion is equal to me, both are equally as fantastic and un-true, at least the non-historical parts of religion of any type.

The fact that you continue to "hate Zionists" is a sad yet funny culmination of the quality of your knowledge or intelligance in this subject at least if not others too.

I can only wish you a life altering experience that will rescue you from your current situation/position and enlighten you in some way. Speedy recovery mate.

LOL you think were in this because of god ??
were in this war because of life, I want to live. did you see Hamas charter ??

Zionists started as a non religious movement and it is still is.
You say you read the bible ? Who cares? the bible means nothing history does.

I am sorry to tell you how ill informed you are, most of the Jewish man and WOMAN joining the army are far from religion as your opinions and the truth :P
Please explain to me how Zionists and religion is the same, please read about it first.


Any way I am trying to understand what you wrote and I see nothing besides. god doesnt exist(you most likely right there), you learned the bible, and you hate Zionists. I will tell you again I am all for this discussion but keep it on some topic.

We can speak on the fact god doesnt exist or if she\he does, his the god of all of us, since Jesus, Mohamad and every other dude got their inspiration from Judaism.

even with a belgian pasport it is not always possible. I remember a few years ago the previous Belgian Minister for Development Cooperation wanted to visit some projects in Gaza, but Israel refused....

1. Why should all refugees from Darfur come to Belgium?

Because other countries like Canada are accepting them, are you want to be nice.
Also because Europe (and like it or not you are part of the EU) made big mistakes in Africa (and in Asia as well), although Sudan is not one of them.
Also a lot of those refuges are Christians being persecute by Muslims and you are Christian, you should help each other.


I read in some place that a Arab president was unhappy with Arafat (talking about thieves, he was a big one) because he put down a offer that was OK for the Palestinians.

To one of the Israeli:
The Jewish people is not the only people who is there after lot of years. The Assyrians are still alive as a people (oppressed by the Iranians, who oppress in they territory but give money for freedom fighter = terrorists). Israel was a Big Kingdom felt down and go back after 2000 years. Same can happen to them.

I'm not a Christian, how many times do I have to repeat that? Btw, Belgium does have a lot of refugees, we just can't get any more, because we now have even places short to place people when they're waiting if they will be accepted to live in Belgium. And don't think everyone is as 'left' as you are.

i am even more left, but not in the classic comunist statalist left wich i dislike

1. Why not? separation is idiotic. if you want us to get all Palestinians to Israel, why not all African to Belgium, why didnt you let Turkey be a member of the Euro ?
Is it maybe because you know by doing that, Belgium wont exist as Belgium ?
Palestinians has a rightful claim to join Israel as African has to join Belgium. When we formed Israel, we declared Those who wants to help us Israel who isnt Jewish is welcomed to stay.
Arab nation told them to move away until they will kill us. If some one is moving away and joining the army of an opposing side, do you realy think I should give him his house back once his plan didnt work ???????

2. I said it is 96% of what they asked, I am not saying thats what they should get.
I said it was an idiotic move that only made them want more.
After we moved 200,000 citizens out of the their homes, we thought we will get peace since Gaza got what they wanted, instead we got missiles.


3. You think we live in Europe where every one is fed up with war, we are fed up with it.
The other side isnt, they want war, they want their people to die. if you die while fighting Israel you get 72 virgins, who is in the right mind wont go for that deal (I just hope it is male virgins, and it is gods sick little joke).
So yes if you still can say Israel is wrong for taking over the cruise, if you still call the cruise humanitarian, you still think were not seeing straight because our media is controlled by the government, your still say separation is bad ( though you want aid Africans to come to your country), your still saying 9 people dead is enough for you to point fingers at the blame, though you refuse to accept the photos from IDF and refuse to see the pictures.
Yes I do think you see the world only from your point of view, which doesnt leave this arguments much room, I dont have to see here that I am right and your wrong, in your opinion I should make sure no one will ever die, unless it is on the Israeli side.

Seriously: Stop saying things I did not say! If you want a decent conversation, listen to what the others are saying, and stop nagging about what you think they say. I'll come here to read and laugh, but I had it with you people. Cya.
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I still have to see that British plan from '21 ... So I can't comment on things I don't believe unless you can show it to me.

I google British Palestine and I got this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine

I haven't read it but may be is what you are looking for (I suppose you are not looking for the real paper that is 90yo)

I have brains, do you realize that? I'm not an idiot ...
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Before I leave, I have 10 tips for everyone ( especially Israeli and yosarian ): I won't answer to your replies any more, as I've had it with 'discussing' with you guys:


1. Stop saying things I did not say.
2. I didn’t chose a side in Israel / Palestine conflict, and never will. The Palestine’s are far from being a good neighbor in the Middle-East, just like the Jews. They are both grey for me. Nothing is black / white.
3. I’m a right conservative, not a left person. So yes, my opinions are opposite to yours, but no one has the truth, it’s just a opinion guys.
4. Stop thinking you can make the World better from your chair. If you want to improve the World, go ahead, but don’t just sit here and say all the World is crap ( America and Europeans are egoists apparently, and the rest of the World’s problems was apparently created by Europeans … )
5. Stop saying your media are right, and all of Europe media is wrong …
6. Answer the damned questions, but no, you ask another question without replying to the first one, and then saying I don’t reply yours ( which I always do, except today, as I had exam )
7. Stop saying your people are better, or stop thinking you are better at least.
8. @ RogIronfist: stop offending people like me and saying it’s a joke when you say you are superior while our people were still in the woods, Chuck, now you offended Charles from the Netherlands, we know you think we are egoistic and racist, and all Europeans are bad.
9. I’m not going to go somewhere else to help and risk my own life. I’m not interested in doing humanitarian help, but that doesn’t make us a racist. And I am NOT responsible for what our king did in Congo when it was his private property. And neither am I responsible that Congo never looked after infrastructure we made and now it’s all broken. And neither am I responsible for South-America, we never were there. Sometimes ( I strongly insist on the word sometimes, not always ) people are responsible for their own misery.
10. Respect each other, and each other’s opinion, I can’t put enough stress on this!

And don't PM me about this, or write in my GB, as I'll report it as spam. I've had it, really. I want to talk about politics, not about black/white, or how a bad person I am ... @ RogIronfist: ;-)

Euskadi ta Askatasuna

what about them, are you support their activities for freedom???