Subject: Israel – The Throwback

Unfortunately I agree with some of your conclusion, but I dissagree with other statements.

I don't agree that we have much of a choice.
It is not fair to judge the force that is being used in defence against poroven hostility.
It was not fair to judge Israel for building a wall, as it is also not fair to avoid any of our reasoning about blockade.

I disagree about the starving population, as I also wonder if it's not hypocrete to not cooperate with Israel when some organizations do want to give a hand.

Yes, I agree that we are now in a worse position, part of it we can blame our leaders and local politics, but the other side(S) absolutely do not come clean to the table.

I do not accept that in this situation there is one automatic side to condemn and the other side gets automatic excuse for relief. This is what is happening here.

Although Israel made mistakes and missed opportunities, the arabs did not do better. However they now take a very cynical attitude and according to what I read in this forum they easily get away with it.

we're not trying to justify any situation through what the other side did. It doens't matter if they did better or worse. We're just talking about what israel did with the flotilla. In that perspective, I asked two questions, Nin asked one more. It are those 3 things were are interested in.

Assuming that your question are at the heart of the discussion, and Nin's just as well - I am sorry I do not find them. Would you reiterate them?

BTW - I also asked several unanswered questions. Some of them are so old, I might not be able to find. If you re-iterate, I'll do my best in good will, and hope that this may help bring answers to mine.

just above these last 3 posts

I asked a question? Not in this thread

because gaza isn't actually in israel?

I never got a answer to my question in the first thread so I'll ask again.

What was the problem with waiting until the boat docked and arresting and questioning those on board?
Not like they were going to over run the entire country with knives and iron bars is it?
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I thought this was a question. Sometimes question marks confuse me, though.

Why did not these terrorist activists on board the vessel not kill the Israeli dolier when this picture shows clearly they had the chance?

lol mate, that wasn't nin ;)

nothing is clear in that picture, can easily be taken out of context

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The picture clearly shows the soldier under their power.. so my question is why not kill him like Isreal says they wanted to?

Neither was the boat when they boarded it lol

I don't think anybody is arguing that shooting civilians is acceptable.

Indeed :)

And to put this all in the right perspective here are some numbers: B'Tselem - Statistics, number of casualties

B'Tselem is an Israeli non-governmental organization (NGO), "The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories".

ah, I was looking for such numbers. Thx

Your welcome.

And I think this is without the numbers of last attack on Gaza, more then 1,400 people dead, about 1,000 of them civilians.

EDIT: Also an interesting site with a lot of articles: Ta'anit Tzedek - Jewish Fast For Gaza
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