Subject: Israel – The Throwback

the un is crap.

Yarden if you dont explain why you might as well dont write at all :P

I wasnt going to write any thing but since my friend here wrote such a brilliant argument I felt like I had to.

Helping hamas isnt helping Palestinians in Gaza.
If hamas will let abu mazan take back control over Gaza the siege will stop. the siege started only after the war on Gaza which started after they kidnapped a solider and fired 100 missiles a day.

Hamas isnt the leader the Palestinians picked abu mazan is and Hamas staged a coup and killed over 130 Palestinians of the other group in the process.

1. i am not your friend

2. the UN never really helped anyone, they have no power and no autority to do anything and they are known to be biased and never objective.

Fortunately you are very objective and not biased at all.

I thought israel is created by an un-resolution.
So I guess you agree that the creation of israel doesn't help the jews either?

i reffered to the UN "force" not to specific votes they have made in the past.

eveywhere they go nothing becomes better and even things are only getting worse: in gaza,africa,bosnia-serbia war..

they always do nothing.

"CNN - Autopsies reveal 9 men on Gaza aid boat shot, 5 in head
- "From the analysis of the bullet distance on one of the bodies," Dr. Ince said, "the gun was fired between 2 and 14 centimeters' distance from the victim's head."

ABC - American, 19, Among Gaza Flotilla Dead
- The victim was identified as Furkan Dogan, 19, a Turkish-American. A forensic report said he was shot at close range, with four bullets in his head and one in his chest, according to the Anatolian news agency."

so, too bad you can't call it self defence anymore.
There must be an israeli side to these stories, I am sure, but I don't see how this blantant racism is going to help see anybody help to see that side of the story. And I don't see how it is possible that some posters get away with some of the hate messages they have sent. I had more for less and further, you can't expect a reasonable debate when one side reaches for bigotry and agressive prejudice with nearly every reply. Get rid of those ppl and topics won't need to be closed every 3 days.

Couldn't have been more clear. This proves it was not entirely in self-defense.

They should be happy with the UN and the US veto's.

Interview John Mearsheimer (at 25 seconds a very good example)
(edited)

I had more for less and further, you can't expect a reasonable debate when one side reaches for bigotry and agressive prejudice with nearly every reply

you explained your actions/side perfectly

so you clime the soldiers went to the boat with paintballs and then executed the "peace acivists"?

you are pathetic seriously.
as u probably saw in the movie the soldiers were attacked from close-range so that may explain the forensic analysis.

but no you assume that the evil soldiers executed the poor "activists".

if anyone would have wanted to kill or exectue they would have just spray the whole ship with machine-gun/rockets.

but its a waste of time to try and explain to you anything.

someone close this thread please.

Let them be Chuck, if they want to be this unwilling to understand how the hole world is looking at this, let them live their own world. They will always say our media are propaganda and lying, while their is perfect of course and they'll never answer your questions properly. Just read and laugh.

Have just read this whole thread, and I have to say there is a lot of diatribe, particularly from the Israel users. Yarden's posts are basically not worth reading - they do not contribute anything to the discussion, being biased exclamations of 'facts' (none of which have citations provided) when they are, in reality, opinions.

On the topic of the 3 commandos who were "kidnapped" - nice linking to an Israel article. Unfortunately, not what I'd call an objective citation. In any case, it mentions the following:

...some passengers tried to take captive three commandos who lost consciousness as a result of the activists' blows, according to early findings of a navy investigation. The three were dragged into one of the passenger halls below deck and were held there for several minutes.

So on a ship which the IDF has boarded, with likely no chance that they will not be successful, 3 unconscious commandos are taken below deck. And what? They are beaten? They are killed? Nope. People were killed above deck - somebody in this thread has even claimed that some IDF members were shot in friendly fire (citation needed) - so how do you know it wasn't for their own protection? Israeli bias is what prevents considering this as an alternative version. Of course, if I'm wrong, feel free to link me to a respectable international news media article suggesting otherwise.

+1 I don't know why we have to have politics mix here.

this thread can be nice, if people try communicate with weblinks to fact and very polite :-)

Israel and close territories were always place for many cultures, nations, religions and it was long time very "hot" place for everybody living there. Anybody who wants to read history can obtain simple information, that this region was under rule of many nations, countries (French, England, Jews, and others), so imho there can not be just one state who control this area. This will be for ever reason just for terrorist attacks or war. (all is same, just different kind of weapon)


So, I can not accept, that now there is just Israel who control whole country especially Jerusalem and is crying that other nations (terrorists :-) ) are making problems.

Solution is possible just with compromise, but Israel will be saying "no compromise with terrorists" and Palestine will be saying "no compromise with that who destroy our country and nation".

My opinion is, that all sides, should be punished, because there were not able to find compromise and very long time ago, maybe early 1900 years can be time for compromises, but now it is not possible!

And after punishment of both sides, there should be just international organization which will control Jerusalem and other problematic territories with equal right for everybody.
(but Israel will never accept this, am I right ?)

Israel and others show to world many times, that they are not able to make compromises, they can just make wars. Israel is able to use strong and powerful army, Palestine is able (no army there) use devastation terrorist attacks. Every of this weapon is bad, but I do not agree that terrorism is worse, it IS JUST KIND of weapon (the best for those who have no army). If Palestine have tanks, I am sure, that they would use rather tanks than terrorism attacks :-).

So I would like to know, who can join my opinion, that current sides ARE NOT ABLE to control this regions in peace, are not able to make compromises, so all region should be JUST UNDER INTERNATIONAL administration.




(I do not want discuss who was first in this area, who has bigger right to live there, who / (to who belongs) is this country and so, we can discuss 1000 pages with no result. I just want to say, that all word can see, that there will never be peace, that there are quilt everybody, not just one side !!, and that terrorism is just kind of weapon, same bad thing as organized army of stronger country. If all are quilty and nobody can make peace and compromises there should be international administration only.)

Please, can we discuss about solution not reason of current conflict ??
So now answer like we are good, they are bad and so....
I am persuaded that current side will never solve this problem, just after Palestinians will vanish from the map for ever, but than we have there other neighbours so this problem will never end.