Subject: Israel – The Throwback

"however it's circumstantial to claim (without proof) that these weapons were then used to shoot IDF soldiers."

for starters, yes..



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Here is first hand testimony.
He says he turned the gun / ammunition to "someone", certainly not to the commandos

there are a lot of video, some can be fake, like this "isreal propaganda".
I dont know where is the truth !



The evidence show us that it is all just propaganda fraud led by Israel. Woman's voice from the ship was identified as voice Huwaidy Arraf who was not be at the ship Mavi Marmara.

So we can just see that every side has its own maybe true maybe propaganda videos :-(


But maybe "prove" of this evidence is here :-) Look and form your own opinion.

http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/proof-emerges-idf-audio-of-radio-communicatio

http://knol.google.com/k/the-arabs-in-the-holy-land-natives-or-aliens#

I gave you a link to the article about Israel / Palestine.
The article has links to sources of English, French and even the Arabs historians and they all say the same .
While the Ottoman Empire many Jews were deported / fled because fear from Israel and yet historians indicate rarely there were only a few Muslim Arab here .

But really I just think you don't even bother to read it :(

btw by seeing such a videos I am like that I live in "Europe" (normal part of Europe).
But I never know what video is true really and what fake..... ...

Turkish problem

I will read it, thx !

I have one free hour today for this :-)
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LOL
This is evidence of someone who was on board, why he would lie in favor of Israeli interests ?

But I have done here
Clearly the truth does not interest you

This videos if just fun for me, I will not explore them more, I have no chance to find true, that is why I make that longer post about OSN and Israel acts.

Please make solid reaction of that post :-)

no it is very find the truth, and truth is not just on one side maybe :-)

I just think that resource of problems was at the past, and now we can see just consequences !!!

Abu-Shushu, I read that article, very fast :-) and sorry not whole :-(
Just to graph.

I have told here already, I will not be examining who was first here, to who belongs really this region and so. It is important, of course, but for you, not for rest of the world. Rest of the world take care just about war conflicts there.

I would rather be talking about, why if OSN as disinterested party (can I call OSN disinterested ? ) make solution of your problem, why Israel made their own war plans ?

I am not taking care who is really origin inhabitants in that region, if we all know that maybe true is somewhere middle :-) I want just talk about why if there is world conflict you are not accepting OSN ! You can answer, you have bigger true and right to manage this country like OSN, maybe, but this answer I will not accept.

If you are not able to solve this problem, OSN should do it instead of you :-( This is major idea of my opinion on this conflict.


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or give me your proposal of solution :-)
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I last interesting video :-) (and now I must work at my job, so good bye :-D )

"I would rather be talking about, why if OSN as disinterested party (can I call OSN disinterested ? ) make solution of your problem, why Israel made their own war plans ?"

because the international community always reacts a bit late, in such instances, so israelis rightfully recognized that they had to defend themselves.

But they went a bit overboard with the definition of 'defend'. A likely cause for this is that some of the people with the power to make decisions about israel had a different opinion about the territory they could defend. In more than one such opinionmaker's mind, israel was much bigger than in the '48 agreement. This propagated through the institutions (schooling, cultural, ...) which resulted in the current stance that they feel threatened while they more or less weren't.

Plus, like I already said in the previous topic, one of the properties of belonging to small groups, is that you (can) feel privileged. Being under real threat only reinforces the group cohesion and hence the sense of belonging to that privilieged group. But that is not racism per se. But is does explain why the sense of self-entitlement is so strong and why it is so easy for people in power to guide their countrymen into this xenophobic thinking.

The second big influence here is that of the culture. I don't have to explain that prosecution is a very big influence in jewish culture. It is latently present, like a bad childhood memory of a dirty uncle. Instead of leaving it like that, some of them seem to revel in it. I'm not going deeper into it, but this would be an unhealthy situation for any person, let alone if it is the (normalizing, usually) culture of an entire nation.
And it's even stronger than you'd expect, because it is tied in into the religious factor. So arguing against it is an even more sensitive matter. Something I don't want to solve here.

I will go with serval israeli posters here, when they say this is an internal matter and left to the israeli's to solve it themselve. But the fact of the matter is that the rest of the world doesn't want conflict in this region. Like Rumpil already hinted, the rest of the world just cares about the conflict here, not about the solution. And if israel keeps making a mess out of it (even whilst blaming everybody else but them), the world will step in, at some moment. Or better, will stop stepping in.

Right, so there is evidence they did take their sidearms. And he says he removed the ammunition, and the pistol was separated from it. He did not say they shot the IDF soldiers, therefore my point is reinforced.

He also mentions the 'detaining' of 3 commandos. Again reinforces my point. Interesting that the Israeli article says they were unconscious, yet he implies they were conscious.

When you gave me a link to what was here in 1922 , you said it was important, when I gave you a link to what throughoutly was here you say that it does not matter now.

I thought you're an honest man who wants to know the truth, but you know what they say -
Fool me once it's your shame, Fool me twice it's my shame :)

Good day to you people

if you want to be stubborn, you can keep trying to view this evidence in light of the israeli side of the story, but its likelihood is practically 0.
The likelihood for the western's media explanation of the story: raid in international waters, slight resisting to co-operate of the humanitarians with their following summary execution by the pissed soldiers, who are used of giving this kind of responses, and a subsequent attempt to cover it all up by the military propaganda, however, is still close to 1.

Bayesian induction. You're never absolutely sure, but 'close enough' has much more practical use.

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I like this :-d :-D :-D


ChuckNorris komu rumpil
"I would rather be talking about, why if OSN as disinterested party (can I call OSN disinterested ? ) make solution of your problem, why Israel made their own war plans ?"

because the international community always reacts a bit late, in such instances, so israelis rightfully recognized that they had to defend themselves.

But they went a bit overboard with the definition of 'defend'.