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Subject: Tour de France 2010
It's the explanation by that famous doping hunter.. don't know his name by haert but he's usually spot on about doping related affairs.
Don't be so naive... He has used doping and miscalculated with letting it dissapear...
I think his name is 'Damsgard', not 100% sure though.
Anyway: smurf is right. The chance that Contador ate contaminated meat is 1.000.000 times smaller then the chance Damsgard's suspisions are correct. Problem is that they'll never be able to prove it.
Anyway: smurf is right. The chance that Contador ate contaminated meat is 1.000.000 times smaller then the chance Damsgard's suspisions are correct. Problem is that they'll never be able to prove it.
Problem is that they'll never be able to prove it.
but they don't have to after a positive test. In sports law system there's reversed onus of proof: if there have been found drugs by a test, the athlete has to prove his innocence. Otherwise they couldn't suspend a single athlete for doping.
and why should they grant exemption for Contador? because his suspension would cost UCI a lot of money?
without this reversed onus of proof the whole sport law system wouldn't work and the would have to leave the penal action to the normal law enforcement agencies, but that's what sports federations don't want at all...
but they don't have to after a positive test. In sports law system there's reversed onus of proof: if there have been found drugs by a test, the athlete has to prove his innocence. Otherwise they couldn't suspend a single athlete for doping.
and why should they grant exemption for Contador? because his suspension would cost UCI a lot of money?
without this reversed onus of proof the whole sport law system wouldn't work and the would have to leave the penal action to the normal law enforcement agencies, but that's what sports federations don't want at all...
Guess he was not so good after all cheating his way to the top . The spanish cycling federation should take more steps to those riders, very many riders of spain have positive test .
there are a lot of bycle riders who are caught on cheating. but cycling is the most controlled sport.
Until now there is no official reaction of the uci. What we know now, is just what is written in l'equipe. If Contador was French, this would never been published.
All the good riders in Holland (except Lars Boom) are catched on cheating: Boogerd, Thomas Dekker, Sentjes, Erik Dekker, Lotz.
Until now there is no official reaction of the uci. What we know now, is just what is written in l'equipe. If Contador was French, this would never been published.
All the good riders in Holland (except Lars Boom) are catched on cheating: Boogerd, Thomas Dekker, Sentjes, Erik Dekker, Lotz.
But Spain is one of the countries with the biggest lack of good anti-drugs policy.
But Spain is one of the countries with the biggest lack of good anti-drugs policy.
all clients of the spanish drugdoctor Fuentes have been punished by their national federation, exept the spanish ones, as far as I remember. Valverde hasn't (it was italian NOC and CAS, not spanish federation or UCI), Sevilla hasn't, Contador hasn't...
it was a farce already before, but if Contator will get though once again, it's really bad comedy. I hope all the sponsors and TV payers won't finance this sport anymore until UCI changes their policy.
all clients of the spanish drugdoctor Fuentes have been punished by their national federation, exept the spanish ones, as far as I remember. Valverde hasn't (it was italian NOC and CAS, not spanish federation or UCI), Sevilla hasn't, Contador hasn't...
it was a farce already before, but if Contator will get though once again, it's really bad comedy. I hope all the sponsors and TV payers won't finance this sport anymore until UCI changes their policy.
All great riders oh holland !? lol you mean all great ex riders :) And I dont care if the are from holland or tjadzikistan the should be banned . And yes indeed spain doenst take much action against doping use under there riders.
Why you say to me that al good riders in holland have cheated ? I didnt even say something about you ? You still adore eddy merx who's also famour for cheating , some years ago everybody cheated.
Why you say to me that al good riders in holland have cheated ? I didnt even say something about you ? You still adore eddy merx who's also famour for cheating , some years ago everybody cheated.
Boogerd and Erik Dekker were not caught I guess? Only mentioned, not caught...I think.
If Contador was French, this would never been published.
But he isn't, he is Spanish and that can be (or is) the reason why he is still in competition ;)
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Alberto Contador - nytimes.com
Alberto Contador is a three-time winner of the Tour de France. He faces the loss of his 2010 Tour title and a two-year ban from the sport after testing positive twice for banned substances while competing in the race.
In September 2010, Contador, a Spaniard formerly on the Astana team, announced he tested positive for clenbuterol, a weight-loss and muscle-building drug. He claimed that failed test came from his consumption of tainted beef from Spain.
Contador also failed a new test that detects a specific type of chemical, called a plasticizer that is found in plastic IV bags. Evidence of that chemical in an athlete’s urine could mean the athlete has used a blood transfusion to boost endurance. The World Anti-Doping Agency bans blood transfusions or any intravenous infusions, except in a medical emergency.
While there was already a validated test for blood doping with someone else’s blood, the new test breaks ground because it may be able to detect if an athlete has had a transfusion with his own blood.
Before, an athlete could remove his own blood, store it, then reinfuse it just before a sporting event to gain an edge without worrying about testing positive.
In July, Contador beat Andy Schleck of Luxembourg who was also the runner-up in 2009. Contador surged ahead on the final climb of Stage 15, under controversial circumstances. Schleck's bike chain had fallen off as he was mounting an attack on Contador and other riders, and Contador, the defending Tour champion, did not stop to wait for Schleck. Contador apologized to Schleck on YouTube for the incident, but sparked the ire of fans who thought his action was unsportsmanlike.
But others felt that Schleck had brought his misfortune on himself, by shifting incorrectly and knocking his chain off, so Contador had no ethical obligation not to capitalize on the error. Others insisted that Contador had violated the sport's unwritten code of conduct by taking advantage of a contender's mechanical problems.
In Contador's apology, he mentioned that after Schleck had crashed during a stage that finished in the town of Spa early in the race, he had asked his team to slow down and wait for his rival to catch up. The next day, he noted, Schleck did not return the favor when a crash by other riders on a treacherous patch of cobblestones delayed Contador.
Ultimately Contador cruised along in the largely ceremonial Stage 20 of the race holding up two fingers and a thumb, in recognition of his third Tour victory. But the failed test for clenbuterol and for the plasticizers could cost him the Tour title.
nytimes.com - more articles Contador (LINK)
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But he isn't, he is Spanish and that can be (or is) the reason why he is still in competition ;)
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Alberto Contador - nytimes.com
Alberto Contador is a three-time winner of the Tour de France. He faces the loss of his 2010 Tour title and a two-year ban from the sport after testing positive twice for banned substances while competing in the race.
In September 2010, Contador, a Spaniard formerly on the Astana team, announced he tested positive for clenbuterol, a weight-loss and muscle-building drug. He claimed that failed test came from his consumption of tainted beef from Spain.
Contador also failed a new test that detects a specific type of chemical, called a plasticizer that is found in plastic IV bags. Evidence of that chemical in an athlete’s urine could mean the athlete has used a blood transfusion to boost endurance. The World Anti-Doping Agency bans blood transfusions or any intravenous infusions, except in a medical emergency.
While there was already a validated test for blood doping with someone else’s blood, the new test breaks ground because it may be able to detect if an athlete has had a transfusion with his own blood.
Before, an athlete could remove his own blood, store it, then reinfuse it just before a sporting event to gain an edge without worrying about testing positive.
In July, Contador beat Andy Schleck of Luxembourg who was also the runner-up in 2009. Contador surged ahead on the final climb of Stage 15, under controversial circumstances. Schleck's bike chain had fallen off as he was mounting an attack on Contador and other riders, and Contador, the defending Tour champion, did not stop to wait for Schleck. Contador apologized to Schleck on YouTube for the incident, but sparked the ire of fans who thought his action was unsportsmanlike.
But others felt that Schleck had brought his misfortune on himself, by shifting incorrectly and knocking his chain off, so Contador had no ethical obligation not to capitalize on the error. Others insisted that Contador had violated the sport's unwritten code of conduct by taking advantage of a contender's mechanical problems.
In Contador's apology, he mentioned that after Schleck had crashed during a stage that finished in the town of Spa early in the race, he had asked his team to slow down and wait for his rival to catch up. The next day, he noted, Schleck did not return the favor when a crash by other riders on a treacherous patch of cobblestones delayed Contador.
Ultimately Contador cruised along in the largely ceremonial Stage 20 of the race holding up two fingers and a thumb, in recognition of his third Tour victory. But the failed test for clenbuterol and for the plasticizers could cost him the Tour title.
nytimes.com - more articles Contador (LINK)
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you mean all great ex riders :)
the 'ex' is because they are suspended. I red that Thomas Dekker is planning a come back.
Why you say to me that al good riders in holland have cheated ?
Because it is true and I thought it was funny that someone from a country where the full top of generation is suspended complains that many spanish riders have a positive test :-)
why he is still in competition ;)
He isn't in competition. The uci suspended him until his trial. unfortunately for some people: you need more evidences to suspend someone for longer period then just an articel in a newspaper.
I always ask myself the question why people who say that all cyclist cheat still following races? Just to make sure they have something to complain about?
the 'ex' is because they are suspended. I red that Thomas Dekker is planning a come back.
Why you say to me that al good riders in holland have cheated ?
Because it is true and I thought it was funny that someone from a country where the full top of generation is suspended complains that many spanish riders have a positive test :-)
why he is still in competition ;)
He isn't in competition. The uci suspended him until his trial. unfortunately for some people: you need more evidences to suspend someone for longer period then just an articel in a newspaper.
I always ask myself the question why people who say that all cyclist cheat still following races? Just to make sure they have something to complain about?
They won't, because cycling is still popular. In other sports, the professionals also take drugs, but anti-doping in cycling is much more better than any other sports, however it's still really ineffective.
I dont follow the cycling at all ; Only the TDF I follow every year .
Because it is true and I thought it was funny that someone from a country where the full top of generation is suspended complains that many spanish riders have a positive test :-)
As first off al you a simply telling rubbish with this statement : "where the full top of generation is suspended" The only one from this "generation" is Thomas Dekker the other are oldies and not from now .
Secondly you blame people(me also I dont get why) that you need more evidence then a newsarticle in a newspaper to suspend some longterm but then you dont hesitate to acuse some dutch riders like Boogerd or Erik Dekker that were never officialy found being guilty and suspendid(atleat not that I can recall it ) Isnt that a bit of a contradiction ?
Lets say al the riders of this generation of the duchties were suspended for dope(thats certainly not the case) I cant have a opion about foreign riders useing dope ? Only because me and the riders have the same nation ? Again bullshit if you ask me :P
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Because it is true and I thought it was funny that someone from a country where the full top of generation is suspended complains that many spanish riders have a positive test :-)
As first off al you a simply telling rubbish with this statement : "where the full top of generation is suspended" The only one from this "generation" is Thomas Dekker the other are oldies and not from now .
Secondly you blame people(me also I dont get why) that you need more evidence then a newsarticle in a newspaper to suspend some longterm but then you dont hesitate to acuse some dutch riders like Boogerd or Erik Dekker that were never officialy found being guilty and suspendid(atleat not that I can recall it ) Isnt that a bit of a contradiction ?
Lets say al the riders of this generation of the duchties were suspended for dope(thats certainly not the case) I cant have a opion about foreign riders useing dope ? Only because me and the riders have the same nation ? Again bullshit if you ask me :P
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What we know now, is just what is written in l'equipe. If Contador was French, this would never been published.
Then how do you explain L'Equipe was first to published the Festina scandal which was headed by Richard Virenque a few years back???
get your facts right mate...
Then how do you explain L'Equipe was first to published the Festina scandal which was headed by Richard Virenque a few years back???
get your facts right mate...