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we have to be careful or muslims will rule the world soon. governments are too soft on them, any muslims who are known aggrivators of hatred need to go to guantanimo to get tortured.
It's still freedom of speech. The cartoonists wasn't persecuted by their country or anything. It was "common" people who were against what they did that persecuted them.
I mean, I can write or say that "Jesus was gay and had sex with Lucifer". That is my right as we have freedom of speech. But it doesn't mean that nobody can be upset by it. If you would do that publicly then I guess there would be a few people who would hit me, or worse.
I mean, I can write or say that "Jesus was gay and had sex with Lucifer". That is my right as we have freedom of speech. But it doesn't mean that nobody can be upset by it. If you would do that publicly then I guess there would be a few people who would hit me, or worse.
Freedom of speech should be above any law. For me, it is unlimited. Even if some people are insulted by my comments. If I say Jahweh, God or Allah are stupid weirdo's, it's my right. Nobody can take that away from me.
I disagree. There have to be a limit for what you can say.
I think you made a confusion between Freedom of thought and Freedom of speech... Noone on Earth has the right to remove your own thoughts even if they shock most of people, but when your thought are transformed into a speech (wrtiten or read) thus it involves everyone else on Earth... As we don't live on anarchy's type of society, anyone is not able to do what he wants otherwise as you just said, if you're right to say anything you want to other people, i have the right to kill you straight away with the same freedom as you want to be free to tlak or write your thoughts.
Ofcourse a line needs to be drawn somewhere, but I feel that we are starting to leave in the world where all different sorts of minorities are actually opressing the majority all because of those limits in freedom of speach. Ofcourse one shouldn't be allowed to say whatever they want (like me going to my neightbours house and saying "I think your wife is a filthy whore, while your son is drug addict scum that gives headjobs for crack"), but being able to make fun of stuff like religion, sex orientation or nation is constantly being cut more and more back, and usually on the account of majorities.
For instance, if I start writing a column in newspaper where I'll daily write jokes about... let's say gay population, I'd probably be bashed by some NGO after just a few articles for being homophobic.
If I'd write those same articles but just give them to my gay friend and he publishes them in some gay magazine then those articles would be counted as a masterpiece.
Slightly different is that situation with Danish guy that made funny Allah drawings. He was bashed by entire muslim population, received death threats, while at the same time you have numerous artist troughout Europe that are constantly making fun of pope. Just look at some of brilliant english humour, probably every 2nd joke is about pope and it's super funny :)
That youtube banning thing is ofcourse completely insane and country with such way of dealing with human rights has no place in modern european society
For instance, if I start writing a column in newspaper where I'll daily write jokes about... let's say gay population, I'd probably be bashed by some NGO after just a few articles for being homophobic.
If I'd write those same articles but just give them to my gay friend and he publishes them in some gay magazine then those articles would be counted as a masterpiece.
Slightly different is that situation with Danish guy that made funny Allah drawings. He was bashed by entire muslim population, received death threats, while at the same time you have numerous artist troughout Europe that are constantly making fun of pope. Just look at some of brilliant english humour, probably every 2nd joke is about pope and it's super funny :)
That youtube banning thing is ofcourse completely insane and country with such way of dealing with human rights has no place in modern european society
No. You say I made a confusion between Freedom of thought and Freedom of speech, but you confuse Freedom of speech and Freedom of acting. Freedom of speech stops right there where someone else's rights are violated. Threatening is still a crime. I just wanted to say that I think everyone should have the 'right' to say something, even if it is very insulting to other people.
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freedom of speech is not same as freedom of human being....
freedom of speech means also very ugly and dangerous weapon, especially for people who are not so good in confrontation... freedom of speech should be a bit regulated at least with right for answer/reaction and then with possibility of "court of damage" which can somebody with freedom of speech make to another person.
You know.... I can tell about somebody that she is a hook/bitch and ok then she can later prove that i was just stupid lair, but everybody will remember just what I said. Do you understand me :-) ?
freedom of speech means also very ugly and dangerous weapon, especially for people who are not so good in confrontation... freedom of speech should be a bit regulated at least with right for answer/reaction and then with possibility of "court of damage" which can somebody with freedom of speech make to another person.
You know.... I can tell about somebody that she is a hook/bitch and ok then she can later prove that i was just stupid lair, but everybody will remember just what I said. Do you understand me :-) ?
Freedom of speech is one thing, but in some countries there are laws which draw a line, i.e libel/slander/defamation. An example is Britain, where I believe they have very strong libel laws. You can go ahead and make an outrageous claim about somebody, however if it has negative connotations and is patently not true, you open yourself up to lawsuits.
There is a distinction between opinions and lies. Opinions are good, but some countries do not like certain opinions very much.
There is a distinction between opinions and lies. Opinions are good, but some countries do not like certain opinions very much.
I can write or say that "Jesus was gay and had sex with Lucifer"
You have the right to freedom of expression, but that doesn't mean, that you can insult someone you want.
It's probably in your country (but not only) sexual minorities are under special protection. Does in Sweden you can said unpunished on television that gays are abnormal, deviations, etc.? I don't think so. Probably in your countries, you can not call African as black. That's funny and abnormal.
You have the right to freedom of expression, but that doesn't mean, that you can insult someone you want.
It's probably in your country (but not only) sexual minorities are under special protection. Does in Sweden you can said unpunished on television that gays are abnormal, deviations, etc.? I don't think so. Probably in your countries, you can not call African as black. That's funny and abnormal.
It's not funny, it's tragic. And I don't mean the freedom of expression etc. but the fact, that such rule [one cannot call a black guy a black guy] suggests that the 'black guy' conveys highly pejorative meaning and connotations. In a weird way, by trying to 'protect' the good name of the African people, they are actually being offended because they ARE black, the thing is that there is nothing bad in being black, at least for me.
imo:
there must be freedom of speech about any religion ( also muslim one)
on the other hand, i consider the colour of skin as important as the colour of the eyes
there must be freedom of speech about any religion ( also muslim one)
on the other hand, i consider the colour of skin as important as the colour of the eyes
the good name of the African people, they are actually being offended because they ARE black, the thing is that there is nothing bad in being black, at least for me.
absolutly agree
is like being brown eyes or blue eyes, not importance for me
absolutly agree
is like being brown eyes or blue eyes, not importance for me
There is a difference between being upset for something that someone said and trying to kill the person.
Edmund Pohl, who has died in Middelburg at the age of 43, collapsed after a boxing match 24 years ago and never regained consciousness.
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TRAGIC CASE: Edmund Pohl
Pohl, known as Eppie to his family, had his provincial colours for boxing and was doing his national service in the army at the time. He was representing the Third SA Infantry Battalion at the Defence Force boxing championships in Pretoria.
About a year before he had rolled his VW Beetle and spent a week in hospital with severe concussion. A neurosurgeon advised the family that he should not fight for at least a year, and then only after he had examined him again.
However, he was called up for military service and began boxing again in the army without going back to see the neurosurgeon.
At 3SAI in Potchefstroom he was selected to do a physical training instructor's (PTI) course, which indicated he was in good physical condition.
He fought six bouts before the one that sent him into a coma, and won them all on knockouts.
During the fourth and final round of his last fight on June 30 1986 his hands sagged with evident exhaustion and he took several heavy blows to the head.
Back in his corner he said he felt exceptionally tired.
"PTI-fit is not boxing-fit", he said. They were his last words.
Minutes later he collapsed.
He spent 12 years at a state hospital in Groblersdal, Limpopo, but when conditions there deteriorated his family moved him to a private clinic in Middelburg, where his mother Petra and sister Sandra were living.
They visited him every day. He is also survived by his father, Lucas.
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TRAGIC CASE: Edmund Pohl
Pohl, known as Eppie to his family, had his provincial colours for boxing and was doing his national service in the army at the time. He was representing the Third SA Infantry Battalion at the Defence Force boxing championships in Pretoria.
About a year before he had rolled his VW Beetle and spent a week in hospital with severe concussion. A neurosurgeon advised the family that he should not fight for at least a year, and then only after he had examined him again.
However, he was called up for military service and began boxing again in the army without going back to see the neurosurgeon.
At 3SAI in Potchefstroom he was selected to do a physical training instructor's (PTI) course, which indicated he was in good physical condition.
He fought six bouts before the one that sent him into a coma, and won them all on knockouts.
During the fourth and final round of his last fight on June 30 1986 his hands sagged with evident exhaustion and he took several heavy blows to the head.
Back in his corner he said he felt exceptionally tired.
"PTI-fit is not boxing-fit", he said. They were his last words.
Minutes later he collapsed.
He spent 12 years at a state hospital in Groblersdal, Limpopo, but when conditions there deteriorated his family moved him to a private clinic in Middelburg, where his mother Petra and sister Sandra were living.
They visited him every day. He is also survived by his father, Lucas.
Absolutely. The biggest difference is, of course, that everyone has the right to be upset, but nobody has the right to kill someone because of it.