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Im not offended.Arrest of these man I approve and there is nothing about for what i would be happy. I think all common people wich are involved in this war, Muslims, Croats, Serbs etc... lost.
All nations lived happy in this big and beutyfull country in its full strength till death of autocrat Tito.
A lie and I think you know that. Tito had to shoot, torture and imprison countless people who were not so very happy with this federation of effectively seperate states. Worse, Yugoslavia was economically a disaster which was kept afloat by Slovenia. With only Belgrade pulling on the strings. The truth is that Yugoslavia was just as unviable as greater USSR.
When he died,politicans so-called socialists take the opportunity and use nationalism to start the war and control their small territories and estrange Yugoslav people.
They took what was already there - and now no longer brutally repressed.
Everyone is guilty, except perhaps the Slovenians who managed to go without killing people. Mostly. Milosevic, Tudjman - all the merry bloodthirsty crooks, they are all responsible.
A lie and I think you know that. Tito had to shoot, torture and imprison countless people who were not so very happy with this federation of effectively seperate states. Worse, Yugoslavia was economically a disaster which was kept afloat by Slovenia. With only Belgrade pulling on the strings. The truth is that Yugoslavia was just as unviable as greater USSR.
When he died,politicans so-called socialists take the opportunity and use nationalism to start the war and control their small territories and estrange Yugoslav people.
They took what was already there - and now no longer brutally repressed.
Everyone is guilty, except perhaps the Slovenians who managed to go without killing people. Mostly. Milosevic, Tudjman - all the merry bloodthirsty crooks, they are all responsible.
How I lived in Yugoslavia only I know because I resume that U dont live in this state.I had happy childhood and my friends and parents too till 1991 when war had started.
The true is that Tito had to shoot, torture and imprison people who were not so very happy with this federation of effectively seperate states, but the claim of countless number is your lie.Most of citizen were happy with this federation otherwise the state will not be sustained for a 73 years.
Worse, Yugoslavia was economically a disaster which was kept afloat by Slovenia. With only Belgrade pulling on the strings.
In that time average salary was about 900E, now that is about 300-500E in all countries.Main industry was in Republic of Serbia not in Slovenia and major city was Belgrade that why string are pulled for.
Everyone is guilty, except perhaps the Slovenians who managed to go without killing people.
Read wiki under Ten-Day War and U will find how many people were killed in this war.
Mostly. Milosevic, Tudjman - all the merry bloodthirsty crooks, they are all responsible.
Agree.
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The true is that Tito had to shoot, torture and imprison people who were not so very happy with this federation of effectively seperate states, but the claim of countless number is your lie.Most of citizen were happy with this federation otherwise the state will not be sustained for a 73 years.
Worse, Yugoslavia was economically a disaster which was kept afloat by Slovenia. With only Belgrade pulling on the strings.
In that time average salary was about 900E, now that is about 300-500E in all countries.Main industry was in Republic of Serbia not in Slovenia and major city was Belgrade that why string are pulled for.
Everyone is guilty, except perhaps the Slovenians who managed to go without killing people.
Read wiki under Ten-Day War and U will find how many people were killed in this war.
Mostly. Milosevic, Tudjman - all the merry bloodthirsty crooks, they are all responsible.
Agree.
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Tito was a real piece of shit,not better than hitler and mussolini!
Do you know what "foibes" are??
Do you know what "foibes" are??
Tito was Yugoslav partisan revolutionary and authoritarian who fight against fascists hitler and mussolini. It is ungrateful to compare them.
Can we discusse about these themes on the similar topic!
Can we discusse about these themes on the similar topic!
oh But our leftwing children here know better from their books and leftwing teachers than the people that actually suffered!
One time more, as I stated before, all civilians suffered, but the trtuh and the facts are clear, and you leftwingers keep denying that. It does not fit your bills.
About Tito; I do not agree totally that all parties were happy then and there...as for all muslim populations; they are never satisfied nor happy anywhere...
But...tito kept together these blacan areas and with help of russia and further friendly states people had a life and kept their culture...ater fall of communism, the power could not sustain and unfortunately it was immediate leftwing "freedomfight and revolution" that struck the outer regions.
This was propagated by America who thought it could have a ally state and base in the region, and Germany who had longtime interests and bussiness in the balcan. NATO troops were used to get them what they wanted...
please do not react on this matter with your "opinion" if it is only made p by your belgium or dutch schoolteachers....these are not opinions, these are the facts and millions of people have to live with these results every day !
One time more, as I stated before, all civilians suffered, but the trtuh and the facts are clear, and you leftwingers keep denying that. It does not fit your bills.
About Tito; I do not agree totally that all parties were happy then and there...as for all muslim populations; they are never satisfied nor happy anywhere...
But...tito kept together these blacan areas and with help of russia and further friendly states people had a life and kept their culture...ater fall of communism, the power could not sustain and unfortunately it was immediate leftwing "freedomfight and revolution" that struck the outer regions.
This was propagated by America who thought it could have a ally state and base in the region, and Germany who had longtime interests and bussiness in the balcan. NATO troops were used to get them what they wanted...
please do not react on this matter with your "opinion" if it is only made p by your belgium or dutch schoolteachers....these are not opinions, these are the facts and millions of people have to live with these results every day !
You might have lived happily, but Tito used strong force against all ideologies different from his own one.
And it is well known that Slovenia (and a part of Croatia) was the richest part of Yugoslavia.
The ten-day war: Slovenia had the right to be independent (self-determination), so the Serb leaders of Yugoslavia had to accept that. Every nation has the right to determine its own government and country.
@ All: let us all ignore Mitch, that will help creating an interesting discussion.
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And it is well known that Slovenia (and a part of Croatia) was the richest part of Yugoslavia.
The ten-day war: Slovenia had the right to be independent (self-determination), so the Serb leaders of Yugoslavia had to accept that. Every nation has the right to determine its own government and country.
@ All: let us all ignore Mitch, that will help creating an interesting discussion.
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oh But our leftwing children here know better from their books and leftwing teachers than the people that actually suffered!
did you suffered!?
One time more, as I stated before, all civilians suffered, but the trtuh and the facts are clear, and you leftwingers keep denying that. It does not fit your bills.
lol. as we can see it.
About Tito; I do not agree totally that all parties were happy then and there...as for all muslim populations; they are never satisfied nor happy anywhere...
lol. again.
ater fall of communism, the power could not sustain and unfortunately it was immediate leftwing "freedomfight and revolution" that struck the outer regions.
hahaha. how could you say something like that? everybody knows that immediately before and during the balkan wars all goverments were rightwing.
This was propagated by America who thought it could have a ally state and base in the region, and Germany who had longtime interests and bussiness in the balcan. NATO troops were used to get them what they wanted...
i don´t really understand what you want to say - did americans or germans fight on balkan!?
did you suffered!?
One time more, as I stated before, all civilians suffered, but the trtuh and the facts are clear, and you leftwingers keep denying that. It does not fit your bills.
lol. as we can see it.
About Tito; I do not agree totally that all parties were happy then and there...as for all muslim populations; they are never satisfied nor happy anywhere...
lol. again.
ater fall of communism, the power could not sustain and unfortunately it was immediate leftwing "freedomfight and revolution" that struck the outer regions.
hahaha. how could you say something like that? everybody knows that immediately before and during the balkan wars all goverments were rightwing.
This was propagated by America who thought it could have a ally state and base in the region, and Germany who had longtime interests and bussiness in the balcan. NATO troops were used to get them what they wanted...
i don´t really understand what you want to say - did americans or germans fight on balkan!?
You might have lived happily, but Tito used strong force against all ideologies different from his own one.
No less then ideologies that ‚‚defend‚‚ US or EU by greatest army ever-NATO.
The ten-day war: Slovenia had the right to be independent (self-determination), so the Serb leaders of Yugoslavia had to accept that. Every nation has the right to determine its own government and country.
I never sad Slovenia dont had that right.On the contrary.But U dont mention killings who Slovenians did in that war.I just want to annul claim of Schepel:
Everyone is guilty, except perhaps the Slovenians who managed to go without killing people.
U‚ll see that everybody want to wash away guilty and acusse others.
No less then ideologies that ‚‚defend‚‚ US or EU by greatest army ever-NATO.
The ten-day war: Slovenia had the right to be independent (self-determination), so the Serb leaders of Yugoslavia had to accept that. Every nation has the right to determine its own government and country.
I never sad Slovenia dont had that right.On the contrary.But U dont mention killings who Slovenians did in that war.I just want to annul claim of Schepel:
Everyone is guilty, except perhaps the Slovenians who managed to go without killing people.
U‚ll see that everybody want to wash away guilty and acusse others.
i don´t really understand what you want to say - did americans or germans fight on balkan!?
Yes they did.
Yes they did.
@ All: let us all ignore Mitch, that will help creating an interesting discussion.
I totally agree.
I totally agree.
Most of citizen were happy with this federation otherwise the state will not be sustained for a 73 years.
Solid historical research says otherwise.
In that time average salary was about 900E, now that is about 300-500E in all countries.Main industry was in Republic of Serbia not in Slovenia and major city was Belgrade that why string are pulled for.
Your 'main industry' was aged and lost money instead of making it. The salaries you mention I cannot verify at this time, but it is a fact that all actual money making happened in Slovenia. It's not accidental that this is the ONLY country from the former Yugo. Fed. that does approach West. EU.
Read wiki under Ten-Day War and U will find how many people were killed in this war.
I'm a student of history. I have got better, MUCH better, sources. Anyway, you forgot a little word: mostly. With that I meant that the number of casualties was low.
Eastern Europe and Russia are my main subjects in my studies. This is my primary field of knowledge.
Solid historical research says otherwise.
In that time average salary was about 900E, now that is about 300-500E in all countries.Main industry was in Republic of Serbia not in Slovenia and major city was Belgrade that why string are pulled for.
Your 'main industry' was aged and lost money instead of making it. The salaries you mention I cannot verify at this time, but it is a fact that all actual money making happened in Slovenia. It's not accidental that this is the ONLY country from the former Yugo. Fed. that does approach West. EU.
Read wiki under Ten-Day War and U will find how many people were killed in this war.
I'm a student of history. I have got better, MUCH better, sources. Anyway, you forgot a little word: mostly. With that I meant that the number of casualties was low.
Eastern Europe and Russia are my main subjects in my studies. This is my primary field of knowledge.
You might have lived happily, but Tito used strong force against all ideologies different from his own one.
No less then ideologies that ‚‚defend‚‚ US or EU by greatest army ever-NATO.
That's simply unbelievable! You're comparing the way that NATO protects the world from terrorism to Tito's way of protecting Yugoslavia from freedom of speech. People were being "eaten by the dark" even for telling jokes or even if someone spread the rumour that they do tell such jokes. You never lived in Yugoslavia. You merely existed at the same time.
No less then ideologies that ‚‚defend‚‚ US or EU by greatest army ever-NATO.
That's simply unbelievable! You're comparing the way that NATO protects the world from terrorism to Tito's way of protecting Yugoslavia from freedom of speech. People were being "eaten by the dark" even for telling jokes or even if someone spread the rumour that they do tell such jokes. You never lived in Yugoslavia. You merely existed at the same time.
Yes they did.
yeah. tell me then who was bombing and distroying vukovar, sarajevo, bihac, mostar... who made genocyde in srebrenica??? germans or americans or both of them???
yeah. tell me then who was bombing and distroying vukovar, sarajevo, bihac, mostar... who made genocyde in srebrenica??? germans or americans or both of them???
I'm a student of history.
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