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you cant think ? you have to read lies?
No, I have to read sources. I don't invent things about Greece, I read them, that's my only way of getting information. I don't make things up.
thats what you think ^___^
Wow, now you really convinced me. If you think that with 'creating an audit committee' you will satisfy the demands of IMF and EU, you really don't know a thing about those international organizations. They will laugh at you. And they'd be right to do so.
No, I have to read sources. I don't invent things about Greece, I read them, that's my only way of getting information. I don't make things up.
thats what you think ^___^
Wow, now you really convinced me. If you think that with 'creating an audit committee' you will satisfy the demands of IMF and EU, you really don't know a thing about those international organizations. They will laugh at you. And they'd be right to do so.
Well, I don't. Democracy is not the rich getting away with paying less taxes.
LOL i will print screen that xD
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Do that. And come back when you can discuss in a mature manner.
What is going on in Athens at the moment is resistance against an invasion; an invasion as brutal as that against Poland in 1939. The invading army wears suits instead of uniforms and holds laptops instead of guns, but make no mistake – the attack on our sovereignty is as violent and thorough.
I've read enough.
I've read enough.
Well, I don't. Democracy is not the rich getting away with paying less taxes.
i agree,we don't have democracy here atm
Reducing the loans will increase investments from abroad.
i prefer the approach of reducing buraucracy which leads to corruption and bribing,of giving motivation to the companies by reducing company tax (i don't know the term but you ll get it) and giving them some benefits for a period of time
to state the the people of greece had nothing to do with their government failure is also plain stupid.
Affter all everybody knows about their tax-attitude...it wa scommon knowledge that every greek fucked all toher people of Europe...and they were so proud of it!
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When your companies were earning big military contracts worthing billions of euros,when your companies were earning huge public work contracts and a licence to exploit them for 50 years,when your companies were selling security equipment for the Olympic Games of 2004 redicullusly overpriced,all by bribing the corrupted greek officials under the blessings of your goverments,was it nice then?Did you feel proud about the strenght of your country's industry?
Let's face it,that huge debt wasn't created only by our tax evasion,get real
Your countries became richer,your companies became richer and now they tell you to pay up for our debt
You and all of European were fooled by your goverments as well as we were fooled by ours.
wake up dude
Driving people to poverty
The fact that you used the word poverty is a disgrace. Greek salaries are double than those in transition countries. So, even if they would be cut in half which is surely not happening, the Greek people would stil be very far from poor.
i said driving,i didn't say that we are
We are in the process of making us poor and thank god the new loan deal will encure that
Btw the basic salary is 492 euro,the unemployment has unofficially reached 20%,
nobody works 8 hours anymore,10-12 hours without being payed for the overtime is a common thing,or you can find a part-time job and getting payed 200-300 euro without the insurance contribution,the VAT here is 23% (after september 1st,will be also for food and beverage),gasoline costs ~1,80 per litre and everything here is 3 times more expencive than it was 10 years ago
Tourists from Germany,England and France tell me that everything here is too expencive!
People from rich countries tell me that we are expencive!!!
Imagine how expencive it is for us
For the other countries you said,i can't comment,i don't know how they live,i guess they are having a hard time
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i agree,we don't have democracy here atm
Reducing the loans will increase investments from abroad.
i prefer the approach of reducing buraucracy which leads to corruption and bribing,of giving motivation to the companies by reducing company tax (i don't know the term but you ll get it) and giving them some benefits for a period of time
to state the the people of greece had nothing to do with their government failure is also plain stupid.
Affter all everybody knows about their tax-attitude...it wa scommon knowledge that every greek fucked all toher people of Europe...and they were so proud of it!
.
When your companies were earning big military contracts worthing billions of euros,when your companies were earning huge public work contracts and a licence to exploit them for 50 years,when your companies were selling security equipment for the Olympic Games of 2004 redicullusly overpriced,all by bribing the corrupted greek officials under the blessings of your goverments,was it nice then?Did you feel proud about the strenght of your country's industry?
Let's face it,that huge debt wasn't created only by our tax evasion,get real
Your countries became richer,your companies became richer and now they tell you to pay up for our debt
You and all of European were fooled by your goverments as well as we were fooled by ours.
wake up dude
Driving people to poverty
The fact that you used the word poverty is a disgrace. Greek salaries are double than those in transition countries. So, even if they would be cut in half which is surely not happening, the Greek people would stil be very far from poor.
i said driving,i didn't say that we are
We are in the process of making us poor and thank god the new loan deal will encure that
Btw the basic salary is 492 euro,the unemployment has unofficially reached 20%,
nobody works 8 hours anymore,10-12 hours without being payed for the overtime is a common thing,or you can find a part-time job and getting payed 200-300 euro without the insurance contribution,the VAT here is 23% (after september 1st,will be also for food and beverage),gasoline costs ~1,80 per litre and everything here is 3 times more expencive than it was 10 years ago
Tourists from Germany,England and France tell me that everything here is too expencive!
People from rich countries tell me that we are expencive!!!
Imagine how expencive it is for us
For the other countries you said,i can't comment,i don't know how they live,i guess they are having a hard time
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No, it's the rich not getting hurt nearly as much by budget cuts.
Anyway, it's up to you whether you are willing to learn. This isn't an opinion. I didn't just invent it, although if I had, I could add a publication to my name instead of the people who did in fact prove it. It's a very simple principle. Money begets power and power protects wealth or interests from wealthy people. At least, in democratic countries it does. In totalitarian countries, wealth outside the circle of power means a direct threath to the circle of power. There it is positively unhealthy to be rich.
Anyway, it's up to you whether you are willing to learn. This isn't an opinion. I didn't just invent it, although if I had, I could add a publication to my name instead of the people who did in fact prove it. It's a very simple principle. Money begets power and power protects wealth or interests from wealthy people. At least, in democratic countries it does. In totalitarian countries, wealth outside the circle of power means a direct threath to the circle of power. There it is positively unhealthy to be rich.
Of course, if a rich guy loses a percentage of his income that's not as bad for him as a relative poor guy losing the same percentage. So yes, the rich are less hurt by the cuts, but they lose the same percentage, so for me, that is fair.
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You assume everyone gets hit for the same percentage, but that's hardly ever the case. It generally goes like this. "We need to cut!" A says: "Not me." B says "Not me, no sir!" C isn't asked anything and just gets the bill. Just have a look at actual cuts in any country. See what is cut and who actually gets a fat pay out.
Now, don't get me wrong, I state this in strict neutrality. I appreciate unequality as a fact of life. However, it is just as much a fact of life unequality gives rise to anger. Thus, I understand strikes. I'd even say they are justified.
Now, don't get me wrong, I state this in strict neutrality. I appreciate unequality as a fact of life. However, it is just as much a fact of life unequality gives rise to anger. Thus, I understand strikes. I'd even say they are justified.
You assume everyone gets hit for the same percentage, but that's hardly ever the case. It generally goes like this. "We need to cut!" A says: "Not me." B says "Not me, no sir!" C isn't asked anything and just gets the bill.
You said I was simplistic, but this seems rather simplistic too. In your case C would be stupid to say "Not me". Look, the government cannot - and they most certainly shouldn't! - lower the loans in private companies. They can/should only lower them in the public sector (which is quite big in Greece), and they can try to encourage the private sector and the labor unions to agree on a certain decrease of the loans. The government can also go for a more efficient way of collecting the taxes, which will reduce the budget deficit. There is nothing unfair about this. Therefore, I understand the strikes (although I wouldn't strike), but in my opinion they are not justified and plain stupid, as they will decrease the trust of the international community in Greece and the Greek government.
You said I was simplistic, but this seems rather simplistic too. In your case C would be stupid to say "Not me". Look, the government cannot - and they most certainly shouldn't! - lower the loans in private companies. They can/should only lower them in the public sector (which is quite big in Greece), and they can try to encourage the private sector and the labor unions to agree on a certain decrease of the loans. The government can also go for a more efficient way of collecting the taxes, which will reduce the budget deficit. There is nothing unfair about this. Therefore, I understand the strikes (although I wouldn't strike), but in my opinion they are not justified and plain stupid, as they will decrease the trust of the international community in Greece and the Greek government.
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We are in the process of making us poor
Yes, you are right. You started this process with spending more than you earn and now the process is almost over. Now you will have to accept that it has made you poorer than you were before. You simply didn't care enough when the process started and during its maturity. Have you ever heard of large Greek budget deficit which was happening year after year? Where were you all then while you were all spending the surplus? What you do now with the street rebelion is simply too late.
For the other countries you said,i can't comment,i don't know how they live,i guess they are having a hard time
This sentence you wrote is actually crucial. It shows how you don't really care how people live in other countries who basically have to share financial damages of Greek irresponsibility. You just don't want to lose the undeserved benefits that the "evil and lying politicians" enabled for you. Simple as that.
Yes, you are right. You started this process with spending more than you earn and now the process is almost over. Now you will have to accept that it has made you poorer than you were before. You simply didn't care enough when the process started and during its maturity. Have you ever heard of large Greek budget deficit which was happening year after year? Where were you all then while you were all spending the surplus? What you do now with the street rebelion is simply too late.
For the other countries you said,i can't comment,i don't know how they live,i guess they are having a hard time
This sentence you wrote is actually crucial. It shows how you don't really care how people live in other countries who basically have to share financial damages of Greek irresponsibility. You just don't want to lose the undeserved benefits that the "evil and lying politicians" enabled for you. Simple as that.
Of course it's simplistic, it's a generalisation. C stands for the group of people whose interests are not directly backed. It could also be worded like this: cuts go the way of the least resistance.