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coincidence. none of them died naturally, obviously.
How do you know that the killer was a Christian fundamentalist? Because the media reported this? Not citing any sources?
If he was a Christian fundamentalist, he should save people not kill them - is not it logical?
If he was a nationalist, conservative, like give the media, why he killed their compatriots, Norwegians but no Muslims, which apparently so hated?
Sometimes it's better to be considered sick, but able to think logically, than claim to be wise and in fact, be plain useful idiot.
If he was a Christian fundamentalist, he should save people not kill them - is not it logical?
If he was a nationalist, conservative, like give the media, why he killed their compatriots, Norwegians but no Muslims, which apparently so hated?
Sometimes it's better to be considered sick, but able to think logically, than claim to be wise and in fact, be plain useful idiot.
Watch the news and you know all the things he wrote on the internet .... No, religion isn't something great that saves people. Believe that if you want but reality is completely different!
Relegion doenst kill or harm people. People do.
Altough I am an atheist, this actions from lone wolfs can't be blamed on relegion.
Altough I am an atheist, this actions from lone wolfs can't be blamed on relegion.
It can be blamed on religious fundamentalism though.
Because he found that Norway was being too tolerant towards Muslims. The socialists are in the government. You get it now?
Of course, it is unfair to blame nationalism, conservatism, Christianity or computer games for that. He might have been someone who grew his own vegetables, are we going to blame vegetables for what he did?
Of course, it is unfair to blame nationalism, conservatism, Christianity or computer games for that. He might have been someone who grew his own vegetables, are we going to blame vegetables for what he did?
Watch the news and you know all the things he wrote on the internet
Wrong, you'll know the things the news want you to hear.
Scummy press over here are lying out of their arses.
Wrong, you'll know the things the news want you to hear.
Scummy press over here are lying out of their arses.
Wrong, you'll know the things the news want you to hear.
I have trust in our Dutch newsprograms, specially if they can show the sites he visited and thing he wrote on it.
Yes your country is a mess with newsscandals at the moment but that has nothing to do if the Dutch newsprograms ar right or wrong about the Norwegian killer. England isn't the world, it's just your country.
I have trust in our Dutch newsprograms, specially if they can show the sites he visited and thing he wrote on it.
Yes your country is a mess with newsscandals at the moment but that has nothing to do if the Dutch newsprograms ar right or wrong about the Norwegian killer. England isn't the world, it's just your country.
His paper of 1500+ pages is online. It'll show you he was a christian fundamentalist. No doubt about that. I've just taken a quick look at it is unbelievable what he has written there. Ultra-conservative, he sees himself as the commander of Norway and Europe.
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Believe that if you want but reality is completely different!
Yea... And you know what is reality. I recall that after the attacks in Madrid by a few days, the media and politicians pointed to ETA as the perpetrators.
@ Rubinho
It can be blamed on religious fundamentalism though.
No, because killing as not a foundation of Christianity. Christianity doesn't say anything good about killing, just says that killing is a mortal sin. But even if some madman killing people referring to Christianity, it is not any Christian fundamentalist, just plain freak who have nothing to do with Christianizm.
Because he found that Norway was being too tolerant towards Muslims. The socialists are in the government. You get it now?
But recently, Norway plans to change your policy towards immigrants, tighten it.
Of course, it is unfair to blame nationalism, conservatism, Christianity or computer games for that. He might have been someone who grew his own vegetables, are we going to blame vegetables for what he did?
Exactly.
Yea... And you know what is reality. I recall that after the attacks in Madrid by a few days, the media and politicians pointed to ETA as the perpetrators.
@ Rubinho
It can be blamed on religious fundamentalism though.
No, because killing as not a foundation of Christianity. Christianity doesn't say anything good about killing, just says that killing is a mortal sin. But even if some madman killing people referring to Christianity, it is not any Christian fundamentalist, just plain freak who have nothing to do with Christianizm.
Because he found that Norway was being too tolerant towards Muslims. The socialists are in the government. You get it now?
But recently, Norway plans to change your policy towards immigrants, tighten it.
Of course, it is unfair to blame nationalism, conservatism, Christianity or computer games for that. He might have been someone who grew his own vegetables, are we going to blame vegetables for what he did?
Exactly.
Since when are we changing immigration politics?
The same government has been in office since 2005 and they are not planning any major change in immigration politics, so please get your facts straight.
His motivation for his actions is definitely down to his political views to the extreme right wing. He is a nationalist and a culture conservative, which is why he chose the two sites for his terrorism, in order to hit the left wing hard. In his made-up world, the muslims are taking over europe, and he performed his actions in order to launch a resistance.
More to the point; I myself know two people who participated in the summer camp, but thankfully they are both still alive. The same can not be said for the 92 (or more likely 97) that is not alive to see this day.
The same government has been in office since 2005 and they are not planning any major change in immigration politics, so please get your facts straight.
His motivation for his actions is definitely down to his political views to the extreme right wing. He is a nationalist and a culture conservative, which is why he chose the two sites for his terrorism, in order to hit the left wing hard. In his made-up world, the muslims are taking over europe, and he performed his actions in order to launch a resistance.
More to the point; I myself know two people who participated in the summer camp, but thankfully they are both still alive. The same can not be said for the 92 (or more likely 97) that is not alive to see this day.
Yea... And you know what is reality. I recall that after the attacks in Madrid by a few days, the media and politicians pointed to ETA as the perpetrators.
Yes for a few hours at the most. And ofcourse it could have been ETA as they often planted bombs. Not that strange they thought it was ETA right .... But were they wrong when they found out it wasn't ETA?
So what is your point?
And now I stop discussing this with you. You are a racist christian mofo and I'm not surprised you start about this subject the way you do now!!
Yes for a few hours at the most. And ofcourse it could have been ETA as they often planted bombs. Not that strange they thought it was ETA right .... But were they wrong when they found out it wasn't ETA?
So what is your point?
And now I stop discussing this with you. You are a racist christian mofo and I'm not surprised you start about this subject the way you do now!!
Thanks for using the worlds I couldn't found :)
More to the point; I myself know two people who participated in the summer camp, but thankfully they are both still alive. The same can not be said for the 92 (or more likely 97) that is not alive to see this day.
Good to know :) And yeh, it's really sad so many young people died for absolutely nothing because of a madman.
More to the point; I myself know two people who participated in the summer camp, but thankfully they are both still alive. The same can not be said for the 92 (or more likely 97) that is not alive to see this day.
Good to know :) And yeh, it's really sad so many young people died for absolutely nothing because of a madman.
I glanced over that dossier this morning. Absolutely crazy. The guy planned absolutely everything maticulously for 9 years, with absolutely everything he said linked up to other articles and proof. Seems like he had a masterplan to take over the world or something.
God knows what possessed him to do what he did. Seems like he was very clever and educated, but killing innocent people? The guy isnt human.
God knows what possessed him to do what he did. Seems like he was very clever and educated, but killing innocent people? The guy isnt human.
What did the Oslo killer want?
Posted By Blake Hounshell Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 6:29 PM
I have just finished reading through what appears to be the 1,518-page manifesto and handbook of the perpetrator of the worst terrorist attack in Norwegian history.
The manifesto, bylined by someone calling himself Andrew Berwick, is entitled "2083: A European Declaration of Independence" and was posted on Stormfront.org, a white supremacist website, and discovered by American blogger Kevin I. Slaughter.
[UPDATE: Norwegian TV has confirmed that the author is indeed the Oslo shooter, according to the New York Times.]
In it, "Berwick" declares himself a "Justiciar Knight Commander," a leading member of a "re-founded" Knights Templar group formed at an April 2002 meeting in London. He claims the founding group has 9 members, whom he does not name, and that three other sympathizers were not able to attend the original meeting.
"Our purpose," the document reads, is to "seize political and military control of Western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda."
In grim, apocalyptic language, it advocates attacks on "traitors" across Europe who are supposedly enabling a Muslim takeover of the continent.
"[W]e should… not exceed (per 2010) aprox. 45 000 dead and 1 million wounded cultural Marxists/multiculturalists in Western Europe," the author writes. "The time for dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed resistance has come."
The manifesto also provides detailed instructions for everything from making a bomb to raising funds to preparing physically and mentally for what the author describes as a coming three-stage "civil war" between patriotic nationalists and "multiculturalists" who are, wittingly or not, destroying European civilization.
Filled with hateful rantings against Muslims -- whom the author claims are on a trajectory to take over Europe and erase its culture patrimony -- the writing bears a great resemblence to online comments attributed to Anders Breivik, 32, the confessed architect of a massacre that has so far claimed nearly 100 lives.
The author also claims to be Norwegian, and says that English is not his native language. And at the bottom of the document are several pictures of Breivick in different outfits, including the frogman costume pictured above.
Most suggestive of all, perhaps, is the detailed diary the author kept of his 82-day attempt to secretly build a fertilizer bomb while hiding out at a farm purchased explicitly for that purpose -- chronicling his attempts to construct a device that would kill as many people as possible.
Here's his entry from June 13, when he had his first successful detonation:
I prepared a test device today and drove off to a very isolated site. The test bomb was composed of a 3g DDNP primary and a 30g PA secondary. If this test would fail, I would abandon operation A and move forward with the non-spectacular operation B.
I lit the fuse, went out of range and waited. It was probably the longest 10 seconds I have ever endured…
BOOM! The detonation was successful!!!:-) I quickly drove away to avoid any potential unwanted attention, from people in the vicinity. I would have to come back a few hours later to investigate the blast hole, to see if both compounds had detonated.
Oddly, despite his evident hatred of Muslims and Arabs, "Berwick" professes admiration for al Qaeda, which he lists as one of only two "successful militant organisations" due to its "superior structural adaptation."
"If Muhammad was alive today," he writes, "Usama Bin Laden would have been his second in command."
Elsewhere, he cites al Qaeda's training manual as a reference, and declares, "Just like Jihadi warriors are the plum tree of the Ummah, we will be the plum tree for Europe and for Christianity."
In another eerie parallel, he also calls for suicidal operations in service of the larger cause: "Let us be perfectly clear; if you are unwilling to martyr yourself for the cause, then the PCCTS, Knights Templar is not for you."
(PCCTS, he explains, stands for "Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici" or, in English, "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon.")
Chillingly, the manifesto ends:
I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51.
Sincere regards,
Andrew Berwick
Justiciar Knight Commander
Knights Templar Europe
Knights Templar Norway
blog.foreignpolicy.com
Posted By Blake Hounshell Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 6:29 PM
I have just finished reading through what appears to be the 1,518-page manifesto and handbook of the perpetrator of the worst terrorist attack in Norwegian history.
The manifesto, bylined by someone calling himself Andrew Berwick, is entitled "2083: A European Declaration of Independence" and was posted on Stormfront.org, a white supremacist website, and discovered by American blogger Kevin I. Slaughter.
[UPDATE: Norwegian TV has confirmed that the author is indeed the Oslo shooter, according to the New York Times.]
In it, "Berwick" declares himself a "Justiciar Knight Commander," a leading member of a "re-founded" Knights Templar group formed at an April 2002 meeting in London. He claims the founding group has 9 members, whom he does not name, and that three other sympathizers were not able to attend the original meeting.
"Our purpose," the document reads, is to "seize political and military control of Western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda."
In grim, apocalyptic language, it advocates attacks on "traitors" across Europe who are supposedly enabling a Muslim takeover of the continent.
"[W]e should… not exceed (per 2010) aprox. 45 000 dead and 1 million wounded cultural Marxists/multiculturalists in Western Europe," the author writes. "The time for dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed resistance has come."
The manifesto also provides detailed instructions for everything from making a bomb to raising funds to preparing physically and mentally for what the author describes as a coming three-stage "civil war" between patriotic nationalists and "multiculturalists" who are, wittingly or not, destroying European civilization.
Filled with hateful rantings against Muslims -- whom the author claims are on a trajectory to take over Europe and erase its culture patrimony -- the writing bears a great resemblence to online comments attributed to Anders Breivik, 32, the confessed architect of a massacre that has so far claimed nearly 100 lives.
The author also claims to be Norwegian, and says that English is not his native language. And at the bottom of the document are several pictures of Breivick in different outfits, including the frogman costume pictured above.
Most suggestive of all, perhaps, is the detailed diary the author kept of his 82-day attempt to secretly build a fertilizer bomb while hiding out at a farm purchased explicitly for that purpose -- chronicling his attempts to construct a device that would kill as many people as possible.
Here's his entry from June 13, when he had his first successful detonation:
I prepared a test device today and drove off to a very isolated site. The test bomb was composed of a 3g DDNP primary and a 30g PA secondary. If this test would fail, I would abandon operation A and move forward with the non-spectacular operation B.
I lit the fuse, went out of range and waited. It was probably the longest 10 seconds I have ever endured…
BOOM! The detonation was successful!!!:-) I quickly drove away to avoid any potential unwanted attention, from people in the vicinity. I would have to come back a few hours later to investigate the blast hole, to see if both compounds had detonated.
Oddly, despite his evident hatred of Muslims and Arabs, "Berwick" professes admiration for al Qaeda, which he lists as one of only two "successful militant organisations" due to its "superior structural adaptation."
"If Muhammad was alive today," he writes, "Usama Bin Laden would have been his second in command."
Elsewhere, he cites al Qaeda's training manual as a reference, and declares, "Just like Jihadi warriors are the plum tree of the Ummah, we will be the plum tree for Europe and for Christianity."
In another eerie parallel, he also calls for suicidal operations in service of the larger cause: "Let us be perfectly clear; if you are unwilling to martyr yourself for the cause, then the PCCTS, Knights Templar is not for you."
(PCCTS, he explains, stands for "Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici" or, in English, "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon.")
Chillingly, the manifesto ends:
I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51.
Sincere regards,
Andrew Berwick
Justiciar Knight Commander
Knights Templar Europe
Knights Templar Norway
blog.foreignpolicy.com