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in period of last 30 years, just prime minister in 2002-2007 was trying to lower state debt.
All others was just loosers. Who was that good one, in 2002-2007 ?
All others was just loosers. Who was that good one, in 2002-2007 ?
Really ? What is your resource ? Or you just think :-) ?
I'm sure,
Your graph shows debt/GDP, it shows a part of the question
in 80's we got a lot of increase and inflaction that hid the making of debt.
In 90's we start road to euro (maastricht's accord) and must end inflaction politic..
and so your graph shows this ...
I'm sure,
Your graph shows debt/GDP, it shows a part of the question
in 80's we got a lot of increase and inflaction that hid the making of debt.
In 90's we start road to euro (maastricht's accord) and must end inflaction politic..
and so your graph shows this ...
do you know names of your prime minister for that bad years and good years I was asking about ?
Historic inflation Italy (CPI) and Historic harmonised inflation Italy (HICP)
Indeed, first half of the '90 inflation was really high.
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Indeed, first half of the '90 inflation was really high.
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I wonder where I am ? in group of amoral people too :-D ?
Well, I think you're in a group with to little trust in free media ... ;P
And I didn't call him 'amoral' in my post but 'morally wrong' as I think everyone has morals, but some people have the wrong morals. I could also have used 'immoral', think that would even been better.
Well, I think you're in a group with to little trust in free media ... ;P
And I didn't call him 'amoral' in my post but 'morally wrong' as I think everyone has morals, but some people have the wrong morals. I could also have used 'immoral', think that would even been better.
I dont trust even myself :-D
(and a word amoral was just shorter than moral wrong :-) )
(and a word amoral was just shorter than moral wrong :-) )
Thats just completely prejudiced bollocks. I have been discussing with lostprophets and rumpil, discussing aspects, showing what actually happened. I'm not going to change my mind on something i know that happened. It's like a football match, if i watched a football match and saw the game, i'd know what happened more than someone who didnt know what happened. If i was there and the score was 3-1, i'm not going to change my mind because you tell me it was 5-0 and you wasnt there... I've changed the other guys minds on what happened on the day, because i provided the evidence to show that what i said, actually happened, noone has shown me any evidence to change my mind about what happened. Are you going to change your mind on anything, with the evidence proving you wrong? Or are you a hypocrite?
Would you go to a muslims and say, the fact you're a muslim says it all?
Hate isn't a strong word for me, people who deserve to be hated, should be hated. I would hate anyone that killed a member of my family, hate anyone who raped someone i know. There are many people in Britain who hate certain people, like ian huntley as an example, many hate the poppy burners. It's not intolerant, it's deserved.
You dont know what my ideas are, because you dont know me and you refuse to listen, with your intolerant nature to anyone who can prove you wrong. How do you know they are incompatible with yours if you wont 'discuss' or listen? http://englishdefenceleague.org/about-us/mission-statement/ what is there to disagree with that? Why wouldn't i oppose islamic extremism? It's dangerous.
The fact you havent addressed any of my points, or shown us what you claim, i.e, my being wrong and lying, why havent you proved any of it wrong? That says it all...
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Would you go to a muslims and say, the fact you're a muslim says it all?
Hate isn't a strong word for me, people who deserve to be hated, should be hated. I would hate anyone that killed a member of my family, hate anyone who raped someone i know. There are many people in Britain who hate certain people, like ian huntley as an example, many hate the poppy burners. It's not intolerant, it's deserved.
You dont know what my ideas are, because you dont know me and you refuse to listen, with your intolerant nature to anyone who can prove you wrong. How do you know they are incompatible with yours if you wont 'discuss' or listen? http://englishdefenceleague.org/about-us/mission-statement/ what is there to disagree with that? Why wouldn't i oppose islamic extremism? It's dangerous.
The fact you havent addressed any of my points, or shown us what you claim, i.e, my being wrong and lying, why havent you proved any of it wrong? That says it all...
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Wow a lot of replies all together ...nice...
What is standing out, and not surprising me, is that bigotary people like xxx , but he is not alone,
make paradoxal remarks; they would say that religion is bad, in the fundaments even( they all show to have no under standing whatsoever about believing or religion,nor christianity nor islam)
Yes they speak "better to have no religion" "religion is stupid" but they , ofcourse will never tell that in the face of a muslim...
better still", all of a sudden "burning a koran" is seeing to be much worse to burning flags that represent other people!. Oh yes, whenever it is islam, were are walking on our toes! Would it been a bible burning....we know their remarks...talking about discriminating and formost about cowardness.
And yes, if you believe statements issued by such illegal groups as hamas, or hezbollah, but you constantly doubt even EU measurements and statements.....WE wil consider you as a bastard or as a terrorist supporter.
Even if you think you know why there are terrorists and thugs....why would you tell us, non thieves and non aggressive people to piss off, and keep defending those criminals...realy i would wish some sectarist violence on you or your people..you deserve a bit of reality stamped into your brains.
it is exactly like Aston says; the police will not "escalate" by keeping te law against muslims....as that would set fire to all muslims...just as with black people in america; remember OJ Simson?
He was clearly guilty of murdering his white wive and white friend...but the prosecution had a way to get out; find an all black jury.....in fact they had all blacks but for one white man...only the white man judged rightly, the other were never to go put OJ as guilty....for they could have not returned home to their hoods, having done that! so they all voted against any normal civilised norm!
the government was happy as it would have set off large racial violence all over the country...as we have seen many times before...
Ask yourself this; did you think as a child that only black men could be slaves and that only white people could be wrong and racists? If so, be honest, you were brought up with lies!
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What is standing out, and not surprising me, is that bigotary people like xxx , but he is not alone,
make paradoxal remarks; they would say that religion is bad, in the fundaments even( they all show to have no under standing whatsoever about believing or religion,nor christianity nor islam)
Yes they speak "better to have no religion" "religion is stupid" but they , ofcourse will never tell that in the face of a muslim...
better still", all of a sudden "burning a koran" is seeing to be much worse to burning flags that represent other people!. Oh yes, whenever it is islam, were are walking on our toes! Would it been a bible burning....we know their remarks...talking about discriminating and formost about cowardness.
And yes, if you believe statements issued by such illegal groups as hamas, or hezbollah, but you constantly doubt even EU measurements and statements.....WE wil consider you as a bastard or as a terrorist supporter.
Even if you think you know why there are terrorists and thugs....why would you tell us, non thieves and non aggressive people to piss off, and keep defending those criminals...realy i would wish some sectarist violence on you or your people..you deserve a bit of reality stamped into your brains.
it is exactly like Aston says; the police will not "escalate" by keeping te law against muslims....as that would set fire to all muslims...just as with black people in america; remember OJ Simson?
He was clearly guilty of murdering his white wive and white friend...but the prosecution had a way to get out; find an all black jury.....in fact they had all blacks but for one white man...only the white man judged rightly, the other were never to go put OJ as guilty....for they could have not returned home to their hoods, having done that! so they all voted against any normal civilised norm!
the government was happy as it would have set off large racial violence all over the country...as we have seen many times before...
Ask yourself this; did you think as a child that only black men could be slaves and that only white people could be wrong and racists? If so, be honest, you were brought up with lies!
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http://englishdefenceleague.org/about-us/mission-statement/ what is there to disagree with that?
a lot. :)
we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities.
All of these outings of religiously inspired intolerance are also thriving among certain sections of other religious populations, and even among certain sections of the general population. Why does the EDL not adress those? So apperantly the EDL is ok with e.g. homophobia thriving among e.g. Footbal players or Christians?
The EDL calls upon the Government to repeal legislation that prevents effective freedom of speech
But yet the mission states:
The EDL..... will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions [armed forces] are not exposed to abuse ......from within our country.
That is not effective freedom of speech, one should be able to speak his mind on the subject of the Armed forces and it's members. So effectively the EDL is looking to restrict an important human right?
And apperantly it means that anybody who is not a member of the Armed Forces can be exposed to abuse?
Restaurants and fast food chains that do offer halal options should offer non-halal alternatives as well
Free choice in these matters is, after all, a fundamental human right for everybody
There is already the free choice to ask for non Halal food in restaurants or fast food chains, so there is no point to make this part of a mission...
And what about food that has been processed according to other religious laws? Shouldn't Britons have the choice to avoid those?
Sharia law makes a fundamental distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims, and the EDL will never allow this sort of iniquitous apartheid to take root in our country
But:
The EDL promotes the understanding of Islam and the implications for non-Muslims forced to live alongside it.
So, allthough the EDL opposed the fundamental disctinction between Muslims and non-Muslims if this is done by Sharia law, it is ok to make this fundemental distinction if promoting the understanding of Islam? So it is not important to warn Muslims of the danger of Sharia law?
Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to ....... impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights
There are more political and social ideologies (with active supporters in England) that are setting out to do this. Why is the EDL not opposing those and why are those not mentioned in the missionstatement?
a lot. :)
we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities.
All of these outings of religiously inspired intolerance are also thriving among certain sections of other religious populations, and even among certain sections of the general population. Why does the EDL not adress those? So apperantly the EDL is ok with e.g. homophobia thriving among e.g. Footbal players or Christians?
The EDL calls upon the Government to repeal legislation that prevents effective freedom of speech
But yet the mission states:
The EDL..... will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions [armed forces] are not exposed to abuse ......from within our country.
That is not effective freedom of speech, one should be able to speak his mind on the subject of the Armed forces and it's members. So effectively the EDL is looking to restrict an important human right?
And apperantly it means that anybody who is not a member of the Armed Forces can be exposed to abuse?
Restaurants and fast food chains that do offer halal options should offer non-halal alternatives as well
Free choice in these matters is, after all, a fundamental human right for everybody
There is already the free choice to ask for non Halal food in restaurants or fast food chains, so there is no point to make this part of a mission...
And what about food that has been processed according to other religious laws? Shouldn't Britons have the choice to avoid those?
Sharia law makes a fundamental distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims, and the EDL will never allow this sort of iniquitous apartheid to take root in our country
But:
The EDL promotes the understanding of Islam and the implications for non-Muslims forced to live alongside it.
So, allthough the EDL opposed the fundamental disctinction between Muslims and non-Muslims if this is done by Sharia law, it is ok to make this fundemental distinction if promoting the understanding of Islam? So it is not important to warn Muslims of the danger of Sharia law?
Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to ....... impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights
There are more political and social ideologies (with active supporters in England) that are setting out to do this. Why is the EDL not opposing those and why are those not mentioned in the missionstatement?
Big man Charles refusing to answer reasonable questions in a civilised manner again. Such a big man you are Charles.
Questions I asked him to clarify, seeing as he knows all my views and disagrees with them all...
What are my views on the wars?
What are my views on America?
What are my views on muslims?
All can be answered from what i have said on here in recent days.
Most people in Britain dont like america and most dont want to be in foreign lands fighting pointless wars.
I do realise how much crap those countries went through in the wars, that we shouldnt be in
I know many good muslims, they are normal people and act like normal people, they are good people. I stand alongside one very good muslim when I protest against islamic extremists.
Could have got those answers in a minute or 2 Charles, claiming you have no time to find out isn't an adequate answer when you spend so long hating on people, without providing any factual evidence or putting forward any points or saying what you disagree with. Nope, it's all hate, hate, hate towards people who hold a different view to yourself and can provide evidence for their points/accounts of events. If you were just able to listen to what's being said and discuss in a reasonable manner, like most other people are able to do, you would be a better person for it.
Questions I asked him to clarify, seeing as he knows all my views and disagrees with them all...
What are my views on the wars?
What are my views on America?
What are my views on muslims?
All can be answered from what i have said on here in recent days.
Most people in Britain dont like america and most dont want to be in foreign lands fighting pointless wars.
I do realise how much crap those countries went through in the wars, that we shouldnt be in
I know many good muslims, they are normal people and act like normal people, they are good people. I stand alongside one very good muslim when I protest against islamic extremists.
Could have got those answers in a minute or 2 Charles, claiming you have no time to find out isn't an adequate answer when you spend so long hating on people, without providing any factual evidence or putting forward any points or saying what you disagree with. Nope, it's all hate, hate, hate towards people who hold a different view to yourself and can provide evidence for their points/accounts of events. If you were just able to listen to what's being said and discuss in a reasonable manner, like most other people are able to do, you would be a better person for it.
a) No, homophobia is not acceptable anywhere. But there are already police/govt schemes to combat homophobia in say, football grounds. Fortunately, we dont have the problems of christian extremists like in Uganda or America who are aggressively homophobic. In the East End of London, with a high population of muslims, it is a recognised problem, but nothing is being done about it by the govt. Gay rights groups also hold protests against the issue there, but not at football matches, or anywhere else really.
b) The legal remedies, i.e, the military covenant, have already been promised by the former and current government and begun to be enshrined into law, i do believe. It is a tad hypocritical, but you are already prevented from saying certain things by law, such as racism, homophobia and sexism and we believe the armed forces who serve the government in their pointless wars and risk their lives, should receive some protection from the same government. That's down to personal opinion really, I believe the individual service personnel should receive protection from the govt, protests against wars, tactics, politicians who send them there, yes. Against the individuals, no. Others may and will disagree.
c) Not in some restaurants, it is all Halal and pork products removed from the menu. Also, in the supermarkets, halal meat is not labelled as such the majority of the time and the public are not aware. I read somewhere, that in stores where it is clearly labelled, halal meat sales are much lower than in stores where it isnt. We should have the choice. I agree about other religious slaughterings such as kosher, kosher isn't in the mass supply chain though, only available in specialist stores, so isnt really a problem http://www.youtube.com/v/Mvq8NrYy5ns if you look here from 8:30 on...
d) Sorry, i don't understand the question here? Are you saying the dangers of sharia law should be told to muslims too?
e) Dont quite know who you are talking about here? If you mean far-right groups then they get challenge too occasionally, as the EDL has black and Asian supporters and far-right groups object to us for this very reason. A small EDL meeting was attacked by combat 18 once, a white supremacist group issued an online threat and there was a clash with the national front in Newcastle earlier this year too.
Hope that helps :)
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b) The legal remedies, i.e, the military covenant, have already been promised by the former and current government and begun to be enshrined into law, i do believe. It is a tad hypocritical, but you are already prevented from saying certain things by law, such as racism, homophobia and sexism and we believe the armed forces who serve the government in their pointless wars and risk their lives, should receive some protection from the same government. That's down to personal opinion really, I believe the individual service personnel should receive protection from the govt, protests against wars, tactics, politicians who send them there, yes. Against the individuals, no. Others may and will disagree.
c) Not in some restaurants, it is all Halal and pork products removed from the menu. Also, in the supermarkets, halal meat is not labelled as such the majority of the time and the public are not aware. I read somewhere, that in stores where it is clearly labelled, halal meat sales are much lower than in stores where it isnt. We should have the choice. I agree about other religious slaughterings such as kosher, kosher isn't in the mass supply chain though, only available in specialist stores, so isnt really a problem http://www.youtube.com/v/Mvq8NrYy5ns if you look here from 8:30 on...
d) Sorry, i don't understand the question here? Are you saying the dangers of sharia law should be told to muslims too?
e) Dont quite know who you are talking about here? If you mean far-right groups then they get challenge too occasionally, as the EDL has black and Asian supporters and far-right groups object to us for this very reason. A small EDL meeting was attacked by combat 18 once, a white supremacist group issued an online threat and there was a clash with the national front in Newcastle earlier this year too.
Hope that helps :)
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Yes they speak "better to have no religion" "religion is stupid" but they , ofcourse will never tell that in the face of a muslim...
I suppose with 'they' you mean at least me, so I will answer this. I have discussed religion with Muslim friends, but also with my Christian friends/acquaintances (mostly Protestants or Reformed Protestants) and told them clearly what I think of it. And you know what, I'm still alive as you can see, and they are all still my friends. You know why, because what I think about right or wrong isn't based on hate against them and they know that and respect me and my opinion as I respect them. And if I'm with a group of people and it becomes a subject I will always say what I think of religion, and I will never have to be afraid or even have to be careful of what I say as it isn't filled with hate.
I know that the discussion with Muslims will be completely different if I would mention first that I support a group like EDL, PVV or another 1 of these joyful groups (which I don't support ofcourse). The tension will rise immediately, why would that be ...?
they all show to have no under standing whatsoever about believing or religion
When I was a child my primary school was Catholic, linked to a Church, and it was a custom to start schooldays with a part of a Bible story and a pray. Before the age of 10 I've read the children's Bible on my own initiative (curiosity), as I don't come from a religious family but I did wanted to know more about it as most of my friends were Catholics.
And a thing that will really surprise you, about 4 years ago I did a Bible-study for about 1.5 years, a few hours a week to know more about it. The effect it all had on my life, specially the Bible-study, is that I became even more sure of my opinion about religion. So your claim I don't know a thing about it is just absolutely completely wrong.
.just as with black people in america; remember OJ Simson
I don't really understand the comparison with O.J. Simpson but ok ... I also think he was guilty, but he won the trail like all rich white guys do it in the US, by spending a lot of money on a dozen good lawyers. He was the first black man who defeated the system this way. So it was a bit more complicated as you try to put it here.
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I suppose with 'they' you mean at least me, so I will answer this. I have discussed religion with Muslim friends, but also with my Christian friends/acquaintances (mostly Protestants or Reformed Protestants) and told them clearly what I think of it. And you know what, I'm still alive as you can see, and they are all still my friends. You know why, because what I think about right or wrong isn't based on hate against them and they know that and respect me and my opinion as I respect them. And if I'm with a group of people and it becomes a subject I will always say what I think of religion, and I will never have to be afraid or even have to be careful of what I say as it isn't filled with hate.
I know that the discussion with Muslims will be completely different if I would mention first that I support a group like EDL, PVV or another 1 of these joyful groups (which I don't support ofcourse). The tension will rise immediately, why would that be ...?
they all show to have no under standing whatsoever about believing or religion
When I was a child my primary school was Catholic, linked to a Church, and it was a custom to start schooldays with a part of a Bible story and a pray. Before the age of 10 I've read the children's Bible on my own initiative (curiosity), as I don't come from a religious family but I did wanted to know more about it as most of my friends were Catholics.
And a thing that will really surprise you, about 4 years ago I did a Bible-study for about 1.5 years, a few hours a week to know more about it. The effect it all had on my life, specially the Bible-study, is that I became even more sure of my opinion about religion. So your claim I don't know a thing about it is just absolutely completely wrong.
.just as with black people in america; remember OJ Simson
I don't really understand the comparison with O.J. Simpson but ok ... I also think he was guilty, but he won the trail like all rich white guys do it in the US, by spending a lot of money on a dozen good lawyers. He was the first black man who defeated the system this way. So it was a bit more complicated as you try to put it here.
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What do you not understand of no? Has nothing to do with being a big man, but you can think that if you want, is ok by me.