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look on this video...about Israel and Palestine... with subtitles also :-)
go down and push PLAY
http://dolezite.sk/Mir_na_Blizkem_vychode_skutecny_pribeh_titulky_140.html
go down and push PLAY
http://dolezite.sk/Mir_na_Blizkem_vychode_skutecny_pribeh_titulky_140.html
you can also sign petition :-)
http://avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?fp
http://avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?fp
I 'll google translate some parts in english,my swedish aren't so fluent :P
(free to do it yourself of course,to see if i am altering anything )
Some are talking about migrating. Others to overthrow the government. An obligatory gas mask hangs in many homes, the memory of the protests on 28 - 29 June, when Parliament voted saving package. I do not think I had been in a country where everyone, absolutely everyone I meet, agree. Angry with the euro, on Germany, on their own government and of themselves as voted on. After a week in Athens, I can say that if I were Greek, I'd also be enraged.
What we have learned about Greece in Swedish newspapers have roughly been to the Greeks are working for a bit and get on well paid. Our Finance Minister Anders Borg has said that the "retire at age 40." The DN's "Questions and answers about Greece" 17 / 6 could be read that wages "have increased tremendously." German Chancellor Angela Merkel has called on Greeks to work harder and not a holiday so much. All this is spiced with the usual talk of a too large and inefficient state. Now the EU step in and lend them more money, it ought to bring order to things, so why complain?
What a sad soup of disinformation! And what a sad lack of solidarity with a country that we should support! The Greeks are working mostly in Europe - 42 hours a week, according to Eurostat, the EU's statistical office. The average income is 803 euros. The effective retirement age is 40 years, as Borg says, but 61.4 years.
This is therefore one of the most hard-working and lowest paid people. But it is a country that depends on tourism, with no big-house production. And it is a country with a broken social contract. Where people do not trust the state and where the state fails to provide citizens with basic services. And that, to top it all, are in euro's grip.
Greece has for decades been ruled by two "dynasties" - conservative New Democracy and PASOK Socialists, each with a family in the lead. Both governments have taken large loans, but few know where the money has gone. Much has been lost in corruption and dubious contracts. It is said that a road will cost considerably more to build in Greece than in other EU countries, because so many intermediaries will have her. People do not pay taxes because they do not get anything back. Much of the tax money goes to maintaining a bureaucracy that seems to exist mostly for its own sake. Meanwhile, the important public services suffer. The doctor must pay bribes to be treated, and to attain their degrees to Greek students take private lessons. And then came the financial crisis in 2008. Greece, dependent on tourism, was hit particularly hard.
I live with some youths belonging to "Generation 700 euros" Soon they will turn into "generation 500 euros". They are my age - 30 years and over - not really young, but they feel as young as they are still wondering what to do in the future. No one has children, it is as unthinkable. They are trained, have gone several years in college, but takes odd jobs as decorators. The safest way to get a permanent job has been in the state, but this will now change. The situation is not entirely unfamiliar, as it is for our generation all over Europe. Just in Greece pressed workers now down to the breaking point, with the crisis as an excuse.
Savings Package is not about solving a crisis, but about forcing the country deeper into crisis. Instead of investing in the country, creating a production that does not depend on tourism, on building wealth and making people believe the future is being cut back.
I only edited two words,in the paragraph before last
"700 euros" instead of "700 million" (lol :P) and "decorators"
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(free to do it yourself of course,to see if i am altering anything )
Some are talking about migrating. Others to overthrow the government. An obligatory gas mask hangs in many homes, the memory of the protests on 28 - 29 June, when Parliament voted saving package. I do not think I had been in a country where everyone, absolutely everyone I meet, agree. Angry with the euro, on Germany, on their own government and of themselves as voted on. After a week in Athens, I can say that if I were Greek, I'd also be enraged.
What we have learned about Greece in Swedish newspapers have roughly been to the Greeks are working for a bit and get on well paid. Our Finance Minister Anders Borg has said that the "retire at age 40." The DN's "Questions and answers about Greece" 17 / 6 could be read that wages "have increased tremendously." German Chancellor Angela Merkel has called on Greeks to work harder and not a holiday so much. All this is spiced with the usual talk of a too large and inefficient state. Now the EU step in and lend them more money, it ought to bring order to things, so why complain?
What a sad soup of disinformation! And what a sad lack of solidarity with a country that we should support! The Greeks are working mostly in Europe - 42 hours a week, according to Eurostat, the EU's statistical office. The average income is 803 euros. The effective retirement age is 40 years, as Borg says, but 61.4 years.
This is therefore one of the most hard-working and lowest paid people. But it is a country that depends on tourism, with no big-house production. And it is a country with a broken social contract. Where people do not trust the state and where the state fails to provide citizens with basic services. And that, to top it all, are in euro's grip.
Greece has for decades been ruled by two "dynasties" - conservative New Democracy and PASOK Socialists, each with a family in the lead. Both governments have taken large loans, but few know where the money has gone. Much has been lost in corruption and dubious contracts. It is said that a road will cost considerably more to build in Greece than in other EU countries, because so many intermediaries will have her. People do not pay taxes because they do not get anything back. Much of the tax money goes to maintaining a bureaucracy that seems to exist mostly for its own sake. Meanwhile, the important public services suffer. The doctor must pay bribes to be treated, and to attain their degrees to Greek students take private lessons. And then came the financial crisis in 2008. Greece, dependent on tourism, was hit particularly hard.
I live with some youths belonging to "Generation 700 euros" Soon they will turn into "generation 500 euros". They are my age - 30 years and over - not really young, but they feel as young as they are still wondering what to do in the future. No one has children, it is as unthinkable. They are trained, have gone several years in college, but takes odd jobs as decorators. The safest way to get a permanent job has been in the state, but this will now change. The situation is not entirely unfamiliar, as it is for our generation all over Europe. Just in Greece pressed workers now down to the breaking point, with the crisis as an excuse.
Savings Package is not about solving a crisis, but about forcing the country deeper into crisis. Instead of investing in the country, creating a production that does not depend on tourism, on building wealth and making people believe the future is being cut back.
I only edited two words,in the paragraph before last
"700 euros" instead of "700 million" (lol :P) and "decorators"
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WW3 is in fact at full scale now, but having USA show with a lot of good examples
why war only leads to inflation and debt, the current war is fought with economics.
i bet must of you dont understand how the internal debt of a country works, the estates
of the country can have debt with their own federal government, the thing is that not all
estates are the same of course, lets picture estates in europe, for easy and since i only know
estates in germany i will example with their names (those are not facts)
when you have a large rich state like berlin that has no debt or little debt (meaning:
that the estate own infrastructure can support it itself), you have no problems, but then
you have small estates in the country like Bremen, who are very few but have first grade
services and even better and this estate is not able to pay for their own infrastructure
and to keep things going the same, the federal estate adjust the budgets and taxes
to arrange proper adjustments.
with this is idea, think of it in world scale and make the federal government the IMF,
and of course think of the properties of each country in the world, i wont enlist
what country has what, because i dont know exactly what each country lives off,
specially lots of the european union...
but yea... you get the idea now, so it is not about working hard really but producing
products of world consumption... lets see how many of you use facebook?, facebook
injects to the economy of USA 200 millions yearly in employees and others, imagine google,
microsoft, apple, etc, etc...
and if you really really want to know how bad this is, go download Inside Job
it is a documentary of 2010 that shows that this recession was expected since around 2005
in 2007 and 2008 they knew for sure this was going to explode...
and funny Lagarde, the new FMI director... is in that documentary and she says that
selling debts is evil because of the risks involved... well in an interview two weeks ago
she now is speaking of a new kind of debt bonds... puahaha we are so screwed...
THIS IS ALL BECAUSE OF HUMAN GREED, DONT YOU WISH YOU WHERE MILLIONAIRE OR EVEN MULTIMILLIONAIRE?
people is so badly informed, you have been ripped off by democracy... while it seems that
governments are the evil ones, it is all lies, all law system are designed so that the companies
are much more powerful, think of it, yea a government invades a country and kills persons, you
cant do much about that, but everybody has to backup your actions. Now the companies
have a million lawyers and much more funds than some governments... just the big 3 of america
apple, google and microsoft have much more funds in their arcs than half europe put together...
hell apple is a bunch of billions away from the USA itself...
bleh bleh bleh bleh...
information is the answer here...
why war only leads to inflation and debt, the current war is fought with economics.
i bet must of you dont understand how the internal debt of a country works, the estates
of the country can have debt with their own federal government, the thing is that not all
estates are the same of course, lets picture estates in europe, for easy and since i only know
estates in germany i will example with their names (those are not facts)
when you have a large rich state like berlin that has no debt or little debt (meaning:
that the estate own infrastructure can support it itself), you have no problems, but then
you have small estates in the country like Bremen, who are very few but have first grade
services and even better and this estate is not able to pay for their own infrastructure
and to keep things going the same, the federal estate adjust the budgets and taxes
to arrange proper adjustments.
with this is idea, think of it in world scale and make the federal government the IMF,
and of course think of the properties of each country in the world, i wont enlist
what country has what, because i dont know exactly what each country lives off,
specially lots of the european union...
but yea... you get the idea now, so it is not about working hard really but producing
products of world consumption... lets see how many of you use facebook?, facebook
injects to the economy of USA 200 millions yearly in employees and others, imagine google,
microsoft, apple, etc, etc...
and if you really really want to know how bad this is, go download Inside Job
it is a documentary of 2010 that shows that this recession was expected since around 2005
in 2007 and 2008 they knew for sure this was going to explode...
and funny Lagarde, the new FMI director... is in that documentary and she says that
selling debts is evil because of the risks involved... well in an interview two weeks ago
she now is speaking of a new kind of debt bonds... puahaha we are so screwed...
THIS IS ALL BECAUSE OF HUMAN GREED, DONT YOU WISH YOU WHERE MILLIONAIRE OR EVEN MULTIMILLIONAIRE?
people is so badly informed, you have been ripped off by democracy... while it seems that
governments are the evil ones, it is all lies, all law system are designed so that the companies
are much more powerful, think of it, yea a government invades a country and kills persons, you
cant do much about that, but everybody has to backup your actions. Now the companies
have a million lawyers and much more funds than some governments... just the big 3 of america
apple, google and microsoft have much more funds in their arcs than half europe put together...
hell apple is a bunch of billions away from the USA itself...
bleh bleh bleh bleh...
information is the answer here...
greece ?
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WIKI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_net_average_wage
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WIKI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_net_average_wage
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why 803€ :-)
The average income is 803 euros.
This is how greeks show us facts ? !!
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The average income is 803 euros.
This is how greeks show us facts ? !!
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you said that your people are hardworking and so.... just your government (two parties for last decades) is cheating you.
That is why I think that democracy is crap. Companies/trusts, group of "some people" or whoever can using money and bribing buy your party..party can make political ads and promo with that money and "sheeps" in every country will vote them. So, It is your mistake, mistake of Greeks, that they voted such a stupid band but it is also fail of "democracy" system.
Now you must pay for it, it is hard, sad but simple. My country seems to be poor maybe, but we are just not living on loans. (and our government is cheating us too :-) )
But who would vote against party which give you huge social benefits, state well paid jobs and so... that is democracy, you can buy people for money (but somebody at the end will be force to paid for it)
Look on Island ! Previous prime minister is maybe going to jail :-). Try this in your country :-)
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That is why I think that democracy is crap. Companies/trusts, group of "some people" or whoever can using money and bribing buy your party..party can make political ads and promo with that money and "sheeps" in every country will vote them. So, It is your mistake, mistake of Greeks, that they voted such a stupid band but it is also fail of "democracy" system.
Now you must pay for it, it is hard, sad but simple. My country seems to be poor maybe, but we are just not living on loans. (and our government is cheating us too :-) )
But who would vote against party which give you huge social benefits, state well paid jobs and so... that is democracy, you can buy people for money (but somebody at the end will be force to paid for it)
Look on Island ! Previous prime minister is maybe going to jail :-). Try this in your country :-)
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Ireland (2733) just got bailed out recently... it is not really about the monthly income
of a person what gives you a clue is how much he can really buy with that in his country
and how much this person has to pay in debts/loans...
and by the way even governments get ripped off too... by regular persons, countries and companies...
of a person what gives you a clue is how much he can really buy with that in his country
and how much this person has to pay in debts/loans...
and by the way even governments get ripped off too... by regular persons, countries and companies...
Whoah ! 2468 € wage net in France !!! Incredible... As an accountant, i could see all wages of all employees in all companies i worked... And this the results :
Only 3 got wages higher than this average one (1 CEO, 1 general manager and production manager)
and 30+75+20+30 persons have under this average wage (including 1 CEO, 3 executive directors, 8 managers...)
Only 3 got wages higher than this average one (1 CEO, 1 general manager and production manager)
and 30+75+20+30 persons have under this average wage (including 1 CEO, 3 executive directors, 8 managers...)
For instance, as chief financial officer, i earn 1800 € per month which is very comfortaable for my family way of life but is very far away from such average wages given !!
In my region people earn about 500-700 € max... I have more but I am little specialist :-D. But my colleagues IT profi specialist earn about 1400€. And average salary is about 850€.
But maybe 70% of people work for 500-700€.
But..why is avarage salary high ? IT manger in big company (supplier for KIA) has got 3000€, director of company has 4000€ and president more :-) So this is changing average :-)
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But maybe 70% of people work for 500-700€.
But..why is avarage salary high ? IT manger in big company (supplier for KIA) has got 3000€, director of company has 4000€ and president more :-) So this is changing average :-)
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he forgot to note that most of this numbers date from 2006
and some are actual... 5 years and one recession are a lot ;)
and some are actual... 5 years and one recession are a lot ;)
also in that Swedish article can be current average salary and problem was greece salary for last decades :-)
(that picture)
(that picture)
we are all bashing each other for nothing...
the bottom line is that we are all paying for the american dream...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
the bottom line is that we are all paying for the american dream...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
