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but I dont doubt that there is much more groups which would like have independence if it is real.
You forgot that if this will be possible, every region with health economy will wants have independence. So maybe Bratislava region in Slovakia and next tens in another state....
Also religion will have important role, for example it will not take long time to create islam state in France and so....
but I dont doubt that there is much more groups which would like have independence if it is real.
You forgot that if this will be possible, every region with health economy will wants have independence. So maybe Bratislava region in Slovakia and next tens in another state....
Also religion will have important role, for example it will not take long time to create islam state in France and so....
1. Slovenia have its own state with deported 10.000 Serbs from its teritory
2. Croatia have its own state with ethic cleaned 300.000 Serbs from its teritory.
3. Kosovo dont have its own state, but its ethic cleaned from 200.000 Serbs from its teritory.
4. Serbia have its own state without ethnic cleaning of any nation.
Any reliable source on this?
Ask your friend Sasha76 (Faithfull The Great) : What does he think, how many Serbs cleaned from their homes in Croatia in a just few days in XX century, just number please and I will agree with it?
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2. Croatia have its own state with ethic cleaned 300.000 Serbs from its teritory.
3. Kosovo dont have its own state, but its ethic cleaned from 200.000 Serbs from its teritory.
4. Serbia have its own state without ethnic cleaning of any nation.
Any reliable source on this?
Ask your friend Sasha76 (Faithfull The Great) : What does he think, how many Serbs cleaned from their homes in Croatia in a just few days in XX century, just number please and I will agree with it?
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This is most ridiculous quote ever:)
any argument?
no...
And this is next one. So when in 1939 Hitler and Stalin divided Poland for Germany and the USSR, we had to recognize that "this is good", "Do not fight it", etc?
aside that poland did it..
one thing is to fight a war.. (a really stupid thing to die for something will never be your..)
another one is to not recognize you lose it.. (more stupid thing, to hate and fight without any chance to win..)
Next one. Albanians are stealing Serbs a piece of territory and they have to sit quietly? Nonsense.
YES! They must realize they lose, and so their choice is:
1 an unsense endless war (to be lose), and
2 building peace with their neighbours
They do it. They fight for their brothers, who for years lived in Yugoslavia, then Serbia and suddenly in a hostile Kosovo.
When fighting for someone become stupid you better stop it!!!
The Serbs are probably the last European nation, which has its own character. Unfortunately, the Poles lose it slowly, under pressure from anti-Polish media, or lobby.
History will not look at all at paople thatt lives in the past, country nation are the past, national caracterization is nothing more than prejudice and folks..
Come in III rd millennium guys!!!!
The Serbian nation is the future of Europe.
LOL
Europe only chance to have a future is beeing one..
And there still people thinking who's better than who..
any argument?
no...
And this is next one. So when in 1939 Hitler and Stalin divided Poland for Germany and the USSR, we had to recognize that "this is good", "Do not fight it", etc?
aside that poland did it..
one thing is to fight a war.. (a really stupid thing to die for something will never be your..)
another one is to not recognize you lose it.. (more stupid thing, to hate and fight without any chance to win..)
Next one. Albanians are stealing Serbs a piece of territory and they have to sit quietly? Nonsense.
YES! They must realize they lose, and so their choice is:
1 an unsense endless war (to be lose), and
2 building peace with their neighbours
They do it. They fight for their brothers, who for years lived in Yugoslavia, then Serbia and suddenly in a hostile Kosovo.
When fighting for someone become stupid you better stop it!!!
The Serbs are probably the last European nation, which has its own character. Unfortunately, the Poles lose it slowly, under pressure from anti-Polish media, or lobby.
History will not look at all at paople thatt lives in the past, country nation are the past, national caracterization is nothing more than prejudice and folks..
Come in III rd millennium guys!!!!
The Serbian nation is the future of Europe.
LOL
Europe only chance to have a future is beeing one..
And there still people thinking who's better than who..
Red ...The problem in Yugoslavia was that everybody has claim on something. Any self-determination hurt somebody as well any annexation. And these ethnical groups which claim same lands and towns hate each other, which lead to civil wars and massacres.
Agree. Like I sad, everytime when econimic crise is knocking on the door, offender is is another nation or state. Not gov' on thier own.These days Germans blame Greeks,Scots blame English, Americans blame Europians, Palestinians blame Jews and otherwise...Like recently in Yugoslavia.
Agree. Like I sad, everytime when econimic crise is knocking on the door, offender is is another nation or state. Not gov' on thier own.These days Germans blame Greeks,Scots blame English, Americans blame Europians, Palestinians blame Jews and otherwise...Like recently in Yugoslavia.
I can't believe you use history to hate your neighbour and not to understand how to avoid the errors of the past..
Do you see what those long time hating lead to?
To a war.. to another occasion to hate your neighbour (with stupid revenge over him that condemn both sides to hate forever..), to a circle of death and hate.. forever???!?!?!
this is the land you want to leave to your sons? A place whete you must fight?
This is the value you want to teach them? Believe that fighiting for the past is mor important than building peace for future?
Do you see what those long time hating lead to?
To a war.. to another occasion to hate your neighbour (with stupid revenge over him that condemn both sides to hate forever..), to a circle of death and hate.. forever???!?!?!
this is the land you want to leave to your sons? A place whete you must fight?
This is the value you want to teach them? Believe that fighiting for the past is mor important than building peace for future?
but I dont doubt that there is much more groups which would like have independence if it is real.
I doubt it.
You forgot that if this will be possible, every region with health economy will wants have independence. So maybe Bratislava region in Slovakia and next tens in another state....
Maybe. Maybe. Not a basis for a discussion.
Also religion will have important role, for example it will not take long time to create islam state in France and so....
No, as they do not fulfill the conditions. Never in the relative recent history (relative recent because one could not go as far back as Poitiers 732) there was an islam state in France.
I doubt it.
You forgot that if this will be possible, every region with health economy will wants have independence. So maybe Bratislava region in Slovakia and next tens in another state....
Maybe. Maybe. Not a basis for a discussion.
Also religion will have important role, for example it will not take long time to create islam state in France and so....
No, as they do not fulfill the conditions. Never in the relative recent history (relative recent because one could not go as far back as Poitiers 732) there was an islam state in France.
Ask your friend Sasha76 (Faithfull The Great) : What does he think, how many Serbs cleaned from their homes in Croatia in a just few days in XX century, just number please and I will agree with it?
Okay, so I note down you don't have a source for that.
Okay, so I note down you don't have a source for that.
No. History os Silesia is more complicated. Different parts of the territory of Silesia at different times belonged to the Polish, German, or Bohemia and Moravia. You can not say that Silesia is a native German region.
Okay, this is indeed true, Silesia was not a good example.
Prussia was the land of the Prussian population, which until the 13th century had nothing to do with Germany. Then the nation was partly conquered and Germanized by the Teutonic Knights. But again - these lands passed into the hands of the Poland and same Prussia in the 16th century became the state subordinate to Poland.
Prussia is a prussians land, not a German. Or, if you want - the same German as Polish.
13th century is a long time back. So I can say the Prussians are a German people. Prussia was never within Poland before 1945. It always has had its autonomy (although it was a fief of Poland). So I can say Prussia is a Prussians land, which is a German people.
And to be clear here: I don't want to give Prussia back to Germany, that would be insane.
Okay, this is indeed true, Silesia was not a good example.
Prussia was the land of the Prussian population, which until the 13th century had nothing to do with Germany. Then the nation was partly conquered and Germanized by the Teutonic Knights. But again - these lands passed into the hands of the Poland and same Prussia in the 16th century became the state subordinate to Poland.
Prussia is a prussians land, not a German. Or, if you want - the same German as Polish.
13th century is a long time back. So I can say the Prussians are a German people. Prussia was never within Poland before 1945. It always has had its autonomy (although it was a fief of Poland). So I can say Prussia is a Prussians land, which is a German people.
And to be clear here: I don't want to give Prussia back to Germany, that would be insane.
I like your slogans, masagges or paroles:building peace with their neighbours,When fighting for someone become stupid you better stop it!!!,History will not look at all at paople thatt lives in the past, country nation are the past, national caracterization is nothing more than prejudice and folks..,Europe only chance to have a future is beeing one..
U werent lived here and easy to say that from your couch or comp. I'll gladly be on your place:) But now, about 80km from my place, in last month Albanians killed two Serbs and few were wounded.NATO forces shooted the Serbs and ambulance car on a barricades, seven hardly wounded.
U expect to beleve in yours words, when NATO hard wepons are pointed in our head. Thats europian cinism behind so called democracy. Our solutions are to strugle or surender. To think and live high toughts like yours, we must live in peace not in permant uncertaintility wich is made by NATO or Albanians.
I do not have any news about this situation (but I can easily believe you, mass information are made to teach what to think to the people, not certanily to bring them truth..)
you are right, mine are only words in a situation like your.
But.. do you have any other chance?
Seriuosly, what else can you do?
you are right, mine are only words in a situation like your.
But.. do you have any other chance?
Seriuosly, what else can you do?
Ask your friend Sasha76 (Faithfull The Great) : What does he think, how many Serbs cleaned from their homes in Croatia in a just few days in XX century, just number please and I will agree with it?
Okay, so I note down you don't have a source for that.
I have indicate U a source, just read it.
Okay, so I note down you don't have a source for that.
I have indicate U a source, just read it.
Just the basic factual sequence of events:
1. Declaration of Croatian independence from federation within federal borders - 1990.
2. Internal Serbian rebellion against independence with federal army support led from Serbia - agression 1991.
3. Forcible expelling of Croatian government officials and other loyal Croatians from occupied territory (the only ethnical cleansing during war in Croatia).
4. Serbian occupation of Croatian independent territory - 5 years.
5. War for freedom - unwanted: caused by the agression! - Europe refuses to choose sides and stop the war.
6. Destruction of Croatian cities - killing of civilians - most notable: Vukovar and Dubrovnik.
7. Croatian liberation operations - Bljesak and Oluja 1995.
8. Escape of Serb civilians supporting rebellion to mother country before liberation army arrives
9. Freedom for Croatia!.
10. Serbs continue war in Bosnia & Herzegovina - Europe stil refuses to choose sides and react.
11. Bosniaks and Bosnian Croats are forced to acknowledge Serbs occupation of B&H territory - Republika Srpska.
12. Serbs continue war on Kosovo - USA has finally had enough of Europe's indifference - NATO intervention.
13. Prosecution of individual war crimes - domestically and in Hague (vast majority of war crimes is logically on Serbian side).
14. Unprecedented and hypocritical Hague sentences of 2 Croatian generals leading liberation operations - Hague questions intentions(!?) of Croatian liberation operations - Europe can now remain feeling right about not choosing sides timely by making all sides relatively equally guilty.
True story.
And tell your friends on Kosovo's border to accept Kosovo as independent and then the shooting will finally stop. It's like a domestic violence problem. The beating stops as soon as the beated wife leaves and the husband stops following her.
1. Declaration of Croatian independence from federation within federal borders - 1990.
2. Internal Serbian rebellion against independence with federal army support led from Serbia - agression 1991.
3. Forcible expelling of Croatian government officials and other loyal Croatians from occupied territory (the only ethnical cleansing during war in Croatia).
4. Serbian occupation of Croatian independent territory - 5 years.
5. War for freedom - unwanted: caused by the agression! - Europe refuses to choose sides and stop the war.
6. Destruction of Croatian cities - killing of civilians - most notable: Vukovar and Dubrovnik.
7. Croatian liberation operations - Bljesak and Oluja 1995.
8. Escape of Serb civilians supporting rebellion to mother country before liberation army arrives
9. Freedom for Croatia!.
10. Serbs continue war in Bosnia & Herzegovina - Europe stil refuses to choose sides and react.
11. Bosniaks and Bosnian Croats are forced to acknowledge Serbs occupation of B&H territory - Republika Srpska.
12. Serbs continue war on Kosovo - USA has finally had enough of Europe's indifference - NATO intervention.
13. Prosecution of individual war crimes - domestically and in Hague (vast majority of war crimes is logically on Serbian side).
14. Unprecedented and hypocritical Hague sentences of 2 Croatian generals leading liberation operations - Hague questions intentions(!?) of Croatian liberation operations - Europe can now remain feeling right about not choosing sides timely by making all sides relatively equally guilty.
True story.
And tell your friends on Kosovo's border to accept Kosovo as independent and then the shooting will finally stop. It's like a domestic violence problem. The beating stops as soon as the beated wife leaves and the husband stops following her.
I have indicate U a source, just read it.
No you didn't. You said me to ask Sasha. I'm asking you your source to say those things (they might be true, I just want to see where your statement is based on).
No you didn't. You said me to ask Sasha. I'm asking you your source to say those things (they might be true, I just want to see where your statement is based on).
He managed to get the discussion away from Kosovo. It's not about Croatia. Look, both sides (both Serbians as Croatians) have made serious mistakes, get over it. Croatia is independent, Serbia is independent. It's about Kosovo here.
I do not have any news about this situation (but I can easily believe you, mass information are made to teach what to think to the people, not certanily to bring them truth..)
you are right, mine are only words in a situation like your.
But.. do you have any other chance?
Seriuosly, what else can you do?
I dont blame anyone for not knowing about situacion in north part of Kosovo where majority is serbian. People live their lifes, and if they interest in every crises in the world 24h a day will be very short for that.
Worse thing is comment something, just looking at the flash new, and thinking that it.
I dont know what is exit from this situacion.Shortly, Albanians wants to liberate whole Kosovo from
Serbians influence,especially on north side. Serbs dont recognize Kosovo as a state and want to keep
further Serbian administration on places where they live. NATO support Albaninan side and try to force Serbs. Serbs set barricades on roads on theirs teritory and blockade transite of NATO through.Thats it.
you are right, mine are only words in a situation like your.
But.. do you have any other chance?
Seriuosly, what else can you do?
I dont blame anyone for not knowing about situacion in north part of Kosovo where majority is serbian. People live their lifes, and if they interest in every crises in the world 24h a day will be very short for that.
Worse thing is comment something, just looking at the flash new, and thinking that it.
I dont know what is exit from this situacion.Shortly, Albanians wants to liberate whole Kosovo from
Serbians influence,especially on north side. Serbs dont recognize Kosovo as a state and want to keep
further Serbian administration on places where they live. NATO support Albaninan side and try to force Serbs. Serbs set barricades on roads on theirs teritory and blockade transite of NATO through.Thats it.
Just tell number to Rubino, that all he want to know?