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actually not 'should', but 'would always realize as plain wrong'
No, because the values are not always respected. For instance lying is considered bad, not lying is the value. However, I wouldn't say no man ever lies.
No, because the values are not always respected. For instance lying is considered bad, not lying is the value. However, I wouldn't say no man ever lies.
I already responded to that, as you've written it before ;-). You can disagree with me on that, but please don't make me write same posts again and again...:P
I'm trying to explain to you where you are wrong, but it's difficult.
I'm trying to explain to you where you are wrong, but it's difficult.
Ok, so let me put it that way:
Well, if you say that there are no universal values, you have no basis to judge them. They were indoctrinated. They did what was considered good by the propaganda in Germany at that time. They lived in Germany, not in Europe like we do now.
The thing is, that the culture they belonged to [the Western European culture] condemned what their did - as you've said, these fanatics were the ones who 'did not respect the values of their civilisation'.
No, because the values are not always respected. For instance lying is considered bad, not lying is the value. However, I wouldn't say no man ever lies.
Yes, but these values still exist. A man who steals knows that stealing bad and he shouldn't do that. Killers do realise that killing is against the values of their culture, but still do it. [the only exception are those mentally ill, who cannot be a group of those who 'know the values']
Well, if you say that there are no universal values, you have no basis to judge them. They were indoctrinated. They did what was considered good by the propaganda in Germany at that time. They lived in Germany, not in Europe like we do now.
The thing is, that the culture they belonged to [the Western European culture] condemned what their did - as you've said, these fanatics were the ones who 'did not respect the values of their civilisation'.
No, because the values are not always respected. For instance lying is considered bad, not lying is the value. However, I wouldn't say no man ever lies.
Yes, but these values still exist. A man who steals knows that stealing bad and he shouldn't do that. Killers do realise that killing is against the values of their culture, but still do it. [the only exception are those mentally ill, who cannot be a group of those who 'know the values']
The thing is, that the culture they belonged to [the Western European culture] condemned what their did - as you've said, these fanatics were the ones who 'did not respect the values of their civilisation'.
And my point is that the Western European culture was irrelevant for Germany under Hitler. And for the people that lived in it. Some Germans (who joined the SS) probably were totally brainwashed with German propaganda. So why would that person be wrong? You can only judge him from our POV or from Europe's POV during the war. From German POV, you cannot judge him.
Yes, but these values still exist. A man who steals knows that stealing bad and he shouldn't do that. Killers do realise that killing is against the values of their culture, but still do it. [the only exception are those mentally ill, who cannot be a group of those who 'know the values']
So 'should' is the right word and not 'would' ...
And my point is that the Western European culture was irrelevant for Germany under Hitler. And for the people that lived in it. Some Germans (who joined the SS) probably were totally brainwashed with German propaganda. So why would that person be wrong? You can only judge him from our POV or from Europe's POV during the war. From German POV, you cannot judge him.
Yes, but these values still exist. A man who steals knows that stealing bad and he shouldn't do that. Killers do realise that killing is against the values of their culture, but still do it. [the only exception are those mentally ill, who cannot be a group of those who 'know the values']
So 'should' is the right word and not 'would' ...
And my point is that the Western European culture was irrelevant for Germany under Hitler. And for the people that lived in it. Some Germans (who joined the SS) probably were totally brainwashed with German propaganda. So why would that person be wrong? You can only judge him from our POV or from Europe's POV during the war. From German POV, you cannot judge him.
The thing is that they were also judged by the German nation after the WW II, not only by other West-European countries. But I think that we will just have to agree to disagree on this aspect cause we won't manage to convince eachother. :)
So 'should' is the right word and not 'would' ...
No. You wrote that every man should realize these values and I wrote that in case of universal values every man would realize the values, but not necessarily would obey them.
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The thing is that they were also judged by the German nation after the WW II, not only by other West-European countries. But I think that we will just have to agree to disagree on this aspect cause we won't manage to convince eachother. :)
So 'should' is the right word and not 'would' ...
No. You wrote that every man should realize these values and I wrote that in case of universal values every man would realize the values, but not necessarily would obey them.
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The thing is that they were also judged by the German nation after the WW II, not only by other West-European countries. But I think that we will just have to agree to disagree on this aspect cause we won't manage to convince eachother. :)
After the war, yes. During the war, no. So you cannot judge their actions during the war ;-)
No. You wrote that every man should realize these values and I wrote that in case of universal values every man would realize the values, but not necessarily would obey them.
Oh, in that way. Then you're right about the word. Is not important though.
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After the war, yes. During the war, no. So you cannot judge their actions during the war ;-)
No. You wrote that every man should realize these values and I wrote that in case of universal values every man would realize the values, but not necessarily would obey them.
Oh, in that way. Then you're right about the word. Is not important though.
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Beijing orders microbloggers to register real names
Updated December 16, 2011 22:33:20
Beijing city authorities on Friday issued new rules requiring microbloggers to register their real names before posting online, as the Chinese government tightens its grip on the internet.
The city government now requires users of weibos - the Chinese version of Twitter - to give their real names to website administrators, its official news portal said.
The new rules will apply to weibo operators based in Beijing, which include Sina - owner of China's most popular microblogging service which has more than 200 million users - as well as users living in the Chinese capital.
Weibo users reacted angrily to the new rules, saying this was an attempt to muzzle online criticism and debate.
"It is good to be responsible for one's own comments but it shouldn't be used as a tool to suppress people's rights," a blogger called Yuyue Yuanfei Ilu said in a posting.
Another web user called V Luoluo said: "The rules are always set against people. Do you dare to tell the truth after the real-name system is implemented? Do you dare to offend someone?"
Weibo operators "must establish and improve a system of content censorship", according to the new rules, while users will have a legal duty to use their true identity to register.
With more than half a billion Chinese now online, authorities in Beijing are concerned about the power of the internet to influence public opinion in a country that maintains tight controls on its traditional media outlets.
Ordinary Chinese are increasingly using weibos to vent their anger and frustration over official corruption, scandals and disasters.
A weibo user is believed to have broken the news of a deadly high-speed rail crash in China in July that provoked widespread condemnation of the government - much of it online.
This week, despite attempts to censor the web and a virtual blackout in China's state-run media, weibos have buzzed with news of a protest involving thousands of villagers in the southern province of Guangdong.
Residents in Wukan, which has been under police blockade, have posted information and photos online of their daily rallies to demand justice over land seizures and a local leader's death.
"It's about enhancing control on the weibos. In all likelihood, this registration could make people more cautious," David Bandurski of the China Media Project at the University of Hong Kong said.
Leading internet and technology firms have already been pressured to tighten their grip on the web as Chinese leaders try to keep a lid on social unrest in the lead up to a once-in-a-decade leadership transition that begins next year.
Last month the heads of 40 companies, including e-commerce giant Alibaba, search engine Baidu and Sina, vowed to stop the "spread of harmful information" on the web after attending a three-day government workshop.
The seminar was held after propaganda chief Li Changchun, fifth in the Communist Party hierarchy, met the heads of China's main search engine Baidu in September.
That same month, the head of Sina said the web giant had set up "rumour-curbing teams", apparently in response to government pressure.
Authorities already have the means to track down web users they believe have broken the law.
Earlier this month two men were detained in the central province of Hunan for "spreading a rumour" that thousands of police officers were deployed to guard a wedding convoy.
State media said the two men posted a video clip online showing scores of police officers and a wedding convoy on a street, which later went viral.
Officials said that judicial police officers were actually training at a base in Hunan, and happened to pass a wedding convoy on their way out.
The internet has posed a huge challenge to government attempts to block content it deems politically sensitive through a censorship system known as the "Great Firewall".
The number of weibo users has more than trebled since the end of 2010, according to government data, and the speed with which they have taken off has made it impossible for censors to keep up.
www.abc.net.au
The next step in Chinese censorship and limiting the freedom of speech. And this is the 'new' powerhouse in the world we have to deal with. It's still getting worse ... great :S
Updated December 16, 2011 22:33:20
Beijing city authorities on Friday issued new rules requiring microbloggers to register their real names before posting online, as the Chinese government tightens its grip on the internet.
The city government now requires users of weibos - the Chinese version of Twitter - to give their real names to website administrators, its official news portal said.
The new rules will apply to weibo operators based in Beijing, which include Sina - owner of China's most popular microblogging service which has more than 200 million users - as well as users living in the Chinese capital.
Weibo users reacted angrily to the new rules, saying this was an attempt to muzzle online criticism and debate.
"It is good to be responsible for one's own comments but it shouldn't be used as a tool to suppress people's rights," a blogger called Yuyue Yuanfei Ilu said in a posting.
Another web user called V Luoluo said: "The rules are always set against people. Do you dare to tell the truth after the real-name system is implemented? Do you dare to offend someone?"
Weibo operators "must establish and improve a system of content censorship", according to the new rules, while users will have a legal duty to use their true identity to register.
With more than half a billion Chinese now online, authorities in Beijing are concerned about the power of the internet to influence public opinion in a country that maintains tight controls on its traditional media outlets.
Ordinary Chinese are increasingly using weibos to vent their anger and frustration over official corruption, scandals and disasters.
A weibo user is believed to have broken the news of a deadly high-speed rail crash in China in July that provoked widespread condemnation of the government - much of it online.
This week, despite attempts to censor the web and a virtual blackout in China's state-run media, weibos have buzzed with news of a protest involving thousands of villagers in the southern province of Guangdong.
Residents in Wukan, which has been under police blockade, have posted information and photos online of their daily rallies to demand justice over land seizures and a local leader's death.
"It's about enhancing control on the weibos. In all likelihood, this registration could make people more cautious," David Bandurski of the China Media Project at the University of Hong Kong said.
Leading internet and technology firms have already been pressured to tighten their grip on the web as Chinese leaders try to keep a lid on social unrest in the lead up to a once-in-a-decade leadership transition that begins next year.
Last month the heads of 40 companies, including e-commerce giant Alibaba, search engine Baidu and Sina, vowed to stop the "spread of harmful information" on the web after attending a three-day government workshop.
The seminar was held after propaganda chief Li Changchun, fifth in the Communist Party hierarchy, met the heads of China's main search engine Baidu in September.
That same month, the head of Sina said the web giant had set up "rumour-curbing teams", apparently in response to government pressure.
Authorities already have the means to track down web users they believe have broken the law.
Earlier this month two men were detained in the central province of Hunan for "spreading a rumour" that thousands of police officers were deployed to guard a wedding convoy.
State media said the two men posted a video clip online showing scores of police officers and a wedding convoy on a street, which later went viral.
Officials said that judicial police officers were actually training at a base in Hunan, and happened to pass a wedding convoy on their way out.
The internet has posed a huge challenge to government attempts to block content it deems politically sensitive through a censorship system known as the "Great Firewall".
The number of weibo users has more than trebled since the end of 2010, according to government data, and the speed with which they have taken off has made it impossible for censors to keep up.
www.abc.net.au
The next step in Chinese censorship and limiting the freedom of speech. And this is the 'new' powerhouse in the world we have to deal with. It's still getting worse ... great :S
In sorrow with Czechs due to the death of Vaclaw Havel.
one dictator less, but he left his kingdom to his son :S, same smell different crap
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/18/world/asia/north-korea-leader-dead/index.html
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/18/world/asia/north-korea-leader-dead/index.html
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forced crying ... or artistic crying...what do you prefer? a boss or a party ... or a God ?
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You have right- artistic crying- someone should give them Oscar...
According to North Korean media, he probably has got multiple Oscars :p
He's dead, but that probably will not improve the situation of the North Korean people.
He's dead, but that probably will not improve the situation of the North Korean people.
Cry .... or you disappear and die in one of the death camps!!