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I think freedom of speech should not include lying (denying a well-documented fact such as the holocaust, which many nazi's deny) and calling for violence/hatred towards others based on something unrealistic (religion, sex, age, race).
Which many nazi's also do.
As long as they follow the laws, I guess nazis (and pedophiles) should be allowed to speak freely and form a political party if they wish.
But don't go lying, spreading hate or break laws. Although you can't do much about the lying really, all politicians and almost all people do that ;-)
Which many nazi's also do.
As long as they follow the laws, I guess nazis (and pedophiles) should be allowed to speak freely and form a political party if they wish.
But don't go lying, spreading hate or break laws. Although you can't do much about the lying really, all politicians and almost all people do that ;-)
I think freedom of speech should not include lying (denying a well-documented fact such as the holocaust, which many nazi's deny)
And do you think the problem is solved when you forbid someone to deny the Holocaust?
And what about the Armenian genocide? Generally accepted as true, but not so in Turkey. You are going to forbid the Turkish in your country to deny the Armenian genocide?
You want 'freedom of speech' within the borders imposed by the government. That's like democracy in China. On paper, it might be democracy, but it really isn't.
calling for violence/hatred towards others based on something unrealistic (religion, sex, age, race).
Which many nazi's also do.
Calling violence, I agree (violence is not an opinion). Calling hatred though ... When Wilders said Islam is an idiotic culture, is that hatred? How do you define hatred? Something that is very offensive? Some things that are offensive for certain people aren't offensive for others.
And do you think the problem is solved when you forbid someone to deny the Holocaust?
And what about the Armenian genocide? Generally accepted as true, but not so in Turkey. You are going to forbid the Turkish in your country to deny the Armenian genocide?
You want 'freedom of speech' within the borders imposed by the government. That's like democracy in China. On paper, it might be democracy, but it really isn't.
calling for violence/hatred towards others based on something unrealistic (religion, sex, age, race).
Which many nazi's also do.
Calling violence, I agree (violence is not an opinion). Calling hatred though ... When Wilders said Islam is an idiotic culture, is that hatred? How do you define hatred? Something that is very offensive? Some things that are offensive for certain people aren't offensive for others.
he 20 members of parliament of Golden Dawn they just pushing to solve the immigrants problem.
Pushing to give it a final solution, most likely...
Anyway, I just wanted to say with respect to
We are the gate of Europe and all of asians and africans immigrants they enter from here. and thats BIG problem.
that I think Greece is the third country claiming to be "the gate of Europe for immigrants" already, I start to wonder whether there is a single country in Europe not seeing itself as the entry gate :P
Pushing to give it a final solution, most likely...
Anyway, I just wanted to say with respect to
We are the gate of Europe and all of asians and africans immigrants they enter from here. and thats BIG problem.
that I think Greece is the third country claiming to be "the gate of Europe for immigrants" already, I start to wonder whether there is a single country in Europe not seeing itself as the entry gate :P
I start to wonder whether there is a single country in Europe not seeing itself as the entry gate :P
Yes, Switzerland. But according to our rightwing politicians we are the final destination of all the immigrants, of course :P
Yes, Switzerland. But according to our rightwing politicians we are the final destination of all the immigrants, of course :P
Well, obviously then you both have NO clue what is happening here with the immigrants!
It's not their fault of cource, they just looking for a better life! the problem is in the government that lets them come uncontrollable!!!
Rarely you hear someone speaking greek in the streets for some years now...
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It's not their fault of cource, they just looking for a better life! the problem is in the government that lets them come uncontrollable!!!
Rarely you hear someone speaking greek in the streets for some years now...
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Well, obviously then you both have NO clue what is happening here with the immigrants!
I never said a word about what is happening in Greece with immigrants. I said that I have already heard people from other Eruopean countries stating that their respective countries are the entry gate to Europe for immigrants. And that's a fact, because I did hear those claims.
I never said a word about what is happening in Greece with immigrants. I said that I have already heard people from other Eruopean countries stating that their respective countries are the entry gate to Europe for immigrants. And that's a fact, because I did hear those claims.
Indeed! R.I.P Eduard Khil!
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/soviet-crooner-khil-dead-at-77/459772.html
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/soviet-crooner-khil-dead-at-77/459772.html
Once again the 'Polish concentration camps' story in US...I'm sick of it.
Quote from FB account of one American 'journalist'...disgrace :/
"All Polish Jew-haters GET OFF my fan page. I know you like to deny that you helped the Nazis murder 3 million Polish Jews after centuries of pogroms you committed against them. But lie about it somewhere else. I am deleting you. If you cannot comment on the topic of the post and refrain from anti-Semitic, violent, depraved sexual comments, YOU. ARE. NOT. WELCOME. HERE. This ain't Auschwitz . . . or even the Warsaw Ghetto. Go away."
Quote from FB account of one American 'journalist'...disgrace :/
"All Polish Jew-haters GET OFF my fan page. I know you like to deny that you helped the Nazis murder 3 million Polish Jews after centuries of pogroms you committed against them. But lie about it somewhere else. I am deleting you. If you cannot comment on the topic of the post and refrain from anti-Semitic, violent, depraved sexual comments, YOU. ARE. NOT. WELCOME. HERE. This ain't Auschwitz . . . or even the Warsaw Ghetto. Go away."
Americans are still searching for a weapon of mass instruction. They need it.
Americans have an unfortunate tendency to see matters in black and white. Either you're good or you're bad. It's a proven fact a great many Poles knew about the holocaust and actively supported it. It's not accidental that the camps were build in Poland. There is also a very clear history of anti-semitism. Then again, a lot of Poles suffered in the camps theirselves as well. The Germans saw the Polish people as only marginally better than the Jews etc. One should also not forget that anti-semitism was everywhere. Especially upper class people were fashionably anti-semitist. In countries the Netherlands and France, the police were happy to assist the Germans in identifying and deporting the jews. It's one of the Great Lies after WWII that nobody knew. Most people did in point of fact know. Maybe not the complete extent of the tragedy, but the essence was known. Spy reports were categorically denied and/or ignored in Allied countries prior to 1945.
So the man is half right and half wrong. As usual.
Edit: I cut my finger badly and typing with a bandaged finger is a pain. Apologies for any and all typos
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So the man is half right and half wrong. As usual.
Edit: I cut my finger badly and typing with a bandaged finger is a pain. Apologies for any and all typos
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the only reason that hitler built concentration camps in poland is because he could kill jews quicker. imagine him transporting 10k people daily to dachau or some other death camp in germany
much easier to build it in poland and kill them faster and save resources needed for transportation.
there was camp in belgrad, serbia.. and the only reason it was there was so serbs, jews and gypsies could be killed faster.
so blaming poles for having nazi deathcamps on their occupied land is such stupidity and insult to entire polish nation that shouldn't be tolarated.
as for police in countries that helped nazis, sure.. but that was police of occupied state with puppet governements which only in rare countries was supported by majority and that certainly wasn't the case in poland
much easier to build it in poland and kill them faster and save resources needed for transportation.
there was camp in belgrad, serbia.. and the only reason it was there was so serbs, jews and gypsies could be killed faster.
so blaming poles for having nazi deathcamps on their occupied land is such stupidity and insult to entire polish nation that shouldn't be tolarated.
as for police in countries that helped nazis, sure.. but that was police of occupied state with puppet governements which only in rare countries was supported by majority and that certainly wasn't the case in poland
so blaming poles for having nazi deathcamps on their occupied land is such stupidity and insult to entire polish nation that shouldn't be tolarated.
What is wrong with you people? He's not blaming the Poles. He's not insulting the Polish nation.
What is wrong with you people? He's not blaming the Poles. He's not insulting the Polish nation.
when someone writes Polish concentration camps, that in my book means that poles built and operated that camp
the right way would be saying Nazi-Germany concentration camps built in Poland
the right way would be saying Nazi-Germany concentration camps built in Poland