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but who is the one, who caused it with no responsibility?
no problem at all,
i'm just amused if somebody thinks that the greek economy will suddenly be that strong that they can pay back anything...even with interest :o
btw. your view on the topic seems to be much more realistic than the one of your fellow-countryman
i'm just amused if somebody thinks that the greek economy will suddenly be that strong that they can pay back anything...even with interest :o
btw. your view on the topic seems to be much more realistic than the one of your fellow-countryman
the one is the system my friend
not just a country
see around, about toxic bonds, about banks, about real estates bubbles, about banks
about every country's depths, unemployment, about denial for eurobonds and many other thinks and parameters and dont think so naively
not just a country
see around, about toxic bonds, about banks, about real estates bubbles, about banks
about every country's depths, unemployment, about denial for eurobonds and many other thinks and parameters and dont think so naively
its only conected, not fault of system....If some piece ( Greece) in not working well it causes damages to all system and there will be a chain response and reaction to all part, even if they are not working as bad as the weakest part...
how Greece involved with the toxic bods of Irelands banks, the estate bubble of Spain or the the depths of Italy, Porugal, Belgium etc only you know...
you just have ignorance of the issues...
you, the former communists you are the warmest advocates of ruthless neoliberal capitalism and you think that is the perfect system!!!
you just have ignorance of the issues...
you, the former communists you are the warmest advocates of ruthless neoliberal capitalism and you think that is the perfect system!!!
how Greece involved with the toxic bods of Irelands banks, the estate bubble of Spain or the the depths of Italy, Porugal, Belgium etc only you know...
The difference is that your economy is tragic (way too high wages and taxes for the efficiency you have). And your elected politicians lied about it.
If the European politicians would have had the courage to kick Greece out of the Eurozone the moment they knew the Greeks lied about their statistics, those Greek lies wouldn't be as damaging as they are today. We need a new Thatcher ;-)
you just have ignorance of the issues...
you, the former communists you are the warmest advocates of ruthless neoliberal capitalism and you think that is the perfect system!!!
How do you know they are former communists? They lived in a country that had a communist system, but that doesn't make them communists. Just like not all Greeks were dictators before 1974 (?) because there was a dictatorship.
And yes, (neo)liberal capitalism is the best system there is. There is no competition.
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The difference is that your economy is tragic (way too high wages and taxes for the efficiency you have). And your elected politicians lied about it.
If the European politicians would have had the courage to kick Greece out of the Eurozone the moment they knew the Greeks lied about their statistics, those Greek lies wouldn't be as damaging as they are today. We need a new Thatcher ;-)
you just have ignorance of the issues...
you, the former communists you are the warmest advocates of ruthless neoliberal capitalism and you think that is the perfect system!!!
How do you know they are former communists? They lived in a country that had a communist system, but that doesn't make them communists. Just like not all Greeks were dictators before 1974 (?) because there was a dictatorship.
And yes, (neo)liberal capitalism is the best system there is. There is no competition.
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And yes, (neo)liberal capitalism is the best system there is. There is no competition.
Belgium is worst than Greece but just you can take new loans from the market incresing your depth
If markets close tommorow for you we will see how you can repay your loans
the neoiberal system its far from the best and you can see for ex. the increasing depth of USA or UK,
the starting of the glabal crisis from their banks (that the profits belongs to the bankers but the failure of a bank is nationalized) and the real estate bubble in 2008, the toxic bonds etc so its not working good
plus the part of the population that is poor everyday increasing their numpers and thats not a perfect society you will see the reactions of the people there real soon
Nobady can kick an equal member from Euro thats only can hapens in your dreams...
and look some tips:
http://www.parikia.co.uk/daily-news/greece-news/greek-news-in-english/20174-western-greeces-oil-and-gas-reserves-potential.html
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/03/04/the-new-mediterranean-oil-gas-bonanza-part-ii/
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/russia-and-former-soviet-union/gazprom-vies-for-greek-gas-assets.html#.T99iOhcZebM
Belgium is worst than Greece but just you can take new loans from the market incresing your depth
If markets close tommorow for you we will see how you can repay your loans
the neoiberal system its far from the best and you can see for ex. the increasing depth of USA or UK,
the starting of the glabal crisis from their banks (that the profits belongs to the bankers but the failure of a bank is nationalized) and the real estate bubble in 2008, the toxic bonds etc so its not working good
plus the part of the population that is poor everyday increasing their numpers and thats not a perfect society you will see the reactions of the people there real soon
Nobady can kick an equal member from Euro thats only can hapens in your dreams...
and look some tips:
http://www.parikia.co.uk/daily-news/greece-news/greek-news-in-english/20174-western-greeces-oil-and-gas-reserves-potential.html
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/03/04/the-new-mediterranean-oil-gas-bonanza-part-ii/
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/russia-and-former-soviet-union/gazprom-vies-for-greek-gas-assets.html#.T99iOhcZebM
Jim, just read carefully.
We gave just guarantees for money in ESFS, so just ESFS can get interest not Slovakia. (first direct loans Slovakia refused, god bless one our party for that :-) ) [i][/i] So, we have no profit from it !
But if you will not pay some loans from ESFS, we had to pay it instead of you, and I have problem with this.
But you election today have good result, so I hope you will continue in current process. I am not talking that you will have easy life there next decades, but it is not my problem, not my fault (sorry to be so honest).
If Greeks are paying their debts, I will love you all :-), cos I was against my government when became member in ESFS. I suppose, that bankruptcy could help you much more than this (cos this is also about western banks and EURO as currency, not just about greeks :-) ) but if your government choose at the past EURO way and new loans, I will be happy if you stay on this way (cos Slovakia give guarantees for your loans)
And I would appreciate, if you all stop hate us, people who are telling you true, ok our opinions, YOU HAD TO REALIZE that Greece problem was made in Greece (if you kill you politicians, I dont have problem with that, but stop unlike people who dont like Greece problem)
I hope I explain it well :-)
We gave just guarantees for money in ESFS, so just ESFS can get interest not Slovakia. (first direct loans Slovakia refused, god bless one our party for that :-) ) [i][/i] So, we have no profit from it !
But if you will not pay some loans from ESFS, we had to pay it instead of you, and I have problem with this.
But you election today have good result, so I hope you will continue in current process. I am not talking that you will have easy life there next decades, but it is not my problem, not my fault (sorry to be so honest).
If Greeks are paying their debts, I will love you all :-), cos I was against my government when became member in ESFS. I suppose, that bankruptcy could help you much more than this (cos this is also about western banks and EURO as currency, not just about greeks :-) ) but if your government choose at the past EURO way and new loans, I will be happy if you stay on this way (cos Slovakia give guarantees for your loans)
And I would appreciate, if you all stop hate us, people who are telling you true, ok our opinions, YOU HAD TO REALIZE that Greece problem was made in Greece (if you kill you politicians, I dont have problem with that, but stop unlike people who dont like Greece problem)
I hope I explain it well :-)
the one is the system my friend
not just a country
see around, .......
how that system hurt Slovakia, if it is system problem, why we have health economy ??
Do you know how much billions our government spent in 90es years of 20th century for saving our banks ??? We made them healthy by our own money (we had to sell some state companies for that).
So we solved our bank problems (which was made by transformation from "USSR" system here) ourselves !!!!! You got 50% or 75%? discount from banks to repay some loans :-). Slovakia not.
Do you see that difference?
But yes, Slovakia is quite poor country, our pensions are really funny and small. We choose be health country and poor country but with positive future. Your politicians choose be ill country but rich country (but this way has always bad end :-( ) with no future.
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not just a country
see around, .......
how that system hurt Slovakia, if it is system problem, why we have health economy ??
Do you know how much billions our government spent in 90es years of 20th century for saving our banks ??? We made them healthy by our own money (we had to sell some state companies for that).
So we solved our bank problems (which was made by transformation from "USSR" system here) ourselves !!!!! You got 50% or 75%? discount from banks to repay some loans :-). Slovakia not.
Do you see that difference?
But yes, Slovakia is quite poor country, our pensions are really funny and small. We choose be health country and poor country but with positive future. Your politicians choose be ill country but rich country (but this way has always bad end :-( ) with no future.
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you, the former communists you are the warmest advocates of ruthless neoliberal capitalism and you think that is the perfect system!!!
I know its not perfect system, but the best from all ;) maybe, but it works here :P paying no taxes, high wage compared to weak economy, thats the Greek problem, not ours ;) so why do all EU countries have to pay for it?
Belgium is worst than Greece
in your dreams...Greece is still alive only because of EU money...
Nobady can kick an equal member from Euro thats only can hapens in your dreams...
It can be easy if Greece wont accept all conditions and for example bankruptcy ;)
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I know its not perfect system, but the best from all ;) maybe, but it works here :P paying no taxes, high wage compared to weak economy, thats the Greek problem, not ours ;) so why do all EU countries have to pay for it?
Belgium is worst than Greece
in your dreams...Greece is still alive only because of EU money...
Nobady can kick an equal member from Euro thats only can hapens in your dreams...
It can be easy if Greece wont accept all conditions and for example bankruptcy ;)
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Belgium is worst than Greece but just you can take new loans from the market incresing your depth
If markets close tommorow for you we will see how you can repay your loans
Belgium is not worse than Greece. Not at all. Read something about the Belgian economy and something about the Greek economy. Our economy is far from perfect (very far!) but our debt is lower than yours (we come from 140% national debt, to 80% and now it has risen again to 100% due to economic crisis) and our economy is more competitive. Those are facts.
Why would markets close tomorrow? The markets think we are a relatively safe investment. (Worse than Germany or the Netherlands, but still far better than Southern Europe.)
the neoiberal system its far from the best and you can see for ex. the increasing depth of USA or UK,
the starting of the glabal crisis from their banks (that the profits belongs to the bankers but the failure of a bank is nationalized) and the real estate bubble in 2008, the toxic bonds etc so its not working good
And this is criticizing the neoliberal system? The things you say there were caused primarily by the government, for instance the Fed caused the housing bubble. The government is the problem, not the solution.
plus the part of the population that is poor everyday increasing their numpers and thats not a perfect society you will see the reactions of the people there real soon
I simply couldn't care less what some part of the population thinks. Even if that part is a majority.
There is no such thing like a perfect society. There are free societies and non-free societies. We live in the latter, unfortunately.
Nobady can kick an equal member from Euro thats only can hapens in your dreams...
Actually, they can.
If markets close tommorow for you we will see how you can repay your loans
Belgium is not worse than Greece. Not at all. Read something about the Belgian economy and something about the Greek economy. Our economy is far from perfect (very far!) but our debt is lower than yours (we come from 140% national debt, to 80% and now it has risen again to 100% due to economic crisis) and our economy is more competitive. Those are facts.
Why would markets close tomorrow? The markets think we are a relatively safe investment. (Worse than Germany or the Netherlands, but still far better than Southern Europe.)
the neoiberal system its far from the best and you can see for ex. the increasing depth of USA or UK,
the starting of the glabal crisis from their banks (that the profits belongs to the bankers but the failure of a bank is nationalized) and the real estate bubble in 2008, the toxic bonds etc so its not working good
And this is criticizing the neoliberal system? The things you say there were caused primarily by the government, for instance the Fed caused the housing bubble. The government is the problem, not the solution.
plus the part of the population that is poor everyday increasing their numpers and thats not a perfect society you will see the reactions of the people there real soon
I simply couldn't care less what some part of the population thinks. Even if that part is a majority.
There is no such thing like a perfect society. There are free societies and non-free societies. We live in the latter, unfortunately.
Nobady can kick an equal member from Euro thats only can hapens in your dreams...
Actually, they can.
But yes, Slovakia is quite poor country, our pensions are really funny and small. We choose be health country and poor country but with positive future. Your politicians choose be ill country but rich country (but this way has always bad end :-( ) with no future.
My point exactly.
The Greeks here are pointing at the housing bubble, but the welfare of the Greeks in the last decades was a bubble too. It was not real. And every bubble will disappear one day. Greece wanted to build their society like the Northwestern European states, but the point is that - just like Slovakia - you simply don't have the money to do so. Don't pretend you do, 'cause in the end, you'll end with a huge mess.
My point exactly.
The Greeks here are pointing at the housing bubble, but the welfare of the Greeks in the last decades was a bubble too. It was not real. And every bubble will disappear one day. Greece wanted to build their society like the Northwestern European states, but the point is that - just like Slovakia - you simply don't have the money to do so. Don't pretend you do, 'cause in the end, you'll end with a huge mess.
So, about those Greek failings: Greece does indeed have a lot of corruption and a lot of tax evasion, and the Greek government has had a habit of living beyond its means. Beyond that, Greek labor productivity is low by European standards — about 25 percent below the European Union average.
That is all that needed to be said.
Yes, the Eurozone is a bad system. But if the Greeks hadn't lived beyond their means, their crisis would be as severe as in other countries. That's the difference between Greece and Slovakia.
That is all that needed to be said.
Yes, the Eurozone is a bad system. But if the Greeks hadn't lived beyond their means, their crisis would be as severe as in other countries. That's the difference between Greece and Slovakia.
And yes, (neo)liberal capitalism is the best system there is. There is no competition.
tell it to te people without a full salute inssurance , tell them ( the´re millions) the free wealth system we have in Spain or other european countries
ahh full public and efficicent wealth systeam, what an utopy that will never be true .....or not
you want a new Tatcher? i want a new Roosvelt
and before you say..yes but in usa low unemplyment and in spain etc....public wealth systemas applys too for countries with low unemployment rates
tell it to te people without a full salute inssurance , tell them ( the´re millions) the free wealth system we have in Spain or other european countries
ahh full public and efficicent wealth systeam, what an utopy that will never be true .....or not
you want a new Tatcher? i want a new Roosvelt
and before you say..yes but in usa low unemplyment and in spain etc....public wealth systemas applys too for countries with low unemployment rates