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And yes, (neo)liberal capitalism is the best system there is. There is no competition.
tell it to te people without a full salute inssurance , tell them ( the´re millions) the free wealth system we have in Spain or other european countries
ahh full public and efficicent wealth systeam, what an utopy that will never be true .....or not
you want a new Tatcher? i want a new Roosvelt
and before you say..yes but in usa low unemplyment and in spain etc....public wealth systemas applys too for countries with low unemployment rates
tell it to te people without a full salute inssurance , tell them ( the´re millions) the free wealth system we have in Spain or other european countries
ahh full public and efficicent wealth systeam, what an utopy that will never be true .....or not
you want a new Tatcher? i want a new Roosvelt
and before you say..yes but in usa low unemplyment and in spain etc....public wealth systemas applys too for countries with low unemployment rates
tell it to te people without a full salute inssurance , tell them ( the´re millions) the free wealth system we have in Spain or other european countries
ahh full public and efficicent wealth systeam, what an utopy that will never be true .....or not
I tell it to everyone I discuss with. And there is no such thing as a free wealth system. There is no free meal. Your 'free wealth system' (which we have too, probably even more expanded here in Belgium) is pure theft, nothing else.
Everything you give away for free, you must take from someone in the first place.
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ahh full public and efficicent wealth systeam, what an utopy that will never be true .....or not
I tell it to everyone I discuss with. And there is no such thing as a free wealth system. There is no free meal. Your 'free wealth system' (which we have too, probably even more expanded here in Belgium) is pure theft, nothing else.
Everything you give away for free, you must take from someone in the first place.
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pure theft, nothing else.
redistribuition is no thetf
I the right of the poor over the rich to have back!
It's always a problema of power!
redistribuition is no thetf
I the right of the poor over the rich to have back!
It's always a problema of power!
i say public, so you should understund i know the state pays for it, as it has been done here for years, also from your wage state takes a portion to support that system...didnt you know that? i think you knew that perfectly
which we have too, probably even more expanded here in Belgium
probably your country has better services than mine in mostly every aspect, but if im really ill i will pray my gods to be in Spain and not in Belgium, and definitly not in your neoliberal paradise in earth aka as USA
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which we have too, probably even more expanded here in Belgium
probably your country has better services than mine in mostly every aspect, but if im really ill i will pray my gods to be in Spain and not in Belgium, and definitly not in your neoliberal paradise in earth aka as USA
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redistribuition is no thetf
It is.
I the right of the poor over the rich to have back!
That would require that the wealth was in the hands of the poor in the first time. So no, it has nothing to do with giving back. It's about taking (threatening with violence) and giving it to others.
It is.
I the right of the poor over the rich to have back!
That would require that the wealth was in the hands of the poor in the first time. So no, it has nothing to do with giving back. It's about taking (threatening with violence) and giving it to others.
i say public, so you should understund i know the state pays for it, as it has been done here for years, also from your wage state takes a portion to support that system...didnt you know that? i think you knew that perfectly
Of course I do, I study economics. I know how our 'wealth system' works (or at least, doesn't work). You threaten people with violence if they don't pay it, while they never had to say if they agree or not. It's theft.
Of course I do, I study economics. I know how our 'wealth system' works (or at least, doesn't work). You threaten people with violence if they don't pay it, while they never had to say if they agree or not. It's theft.
i say a lot of taxes is theft, a little to support new roads, wealth system and education..that yes of course, thats a civilized country and not a jungle, in my opinion
Of course I do, I study economics
im economist myself rigth now, i finished studying some years ago
you know, economics is not an exactly science, so you will find arguments to defend neoliberalism and i will find arguments to defend freedom of market with state taking care of education and wealth system ( and yeah, let anyone who wants to make a private hospital or school do it)
Of course I do, I study economics
im economist myself rigth now, i finished studying some years ago
you know, economics is not an exactly science, so you will find arguments to defend neoliberalism and i will find arguments to defend freedom of market with state taking care of education and wealth system ( and yeah, let anyone who wants to make a private hospital or school do it)
Do you prefer the public wealth system costs not to be obliged for everyone?
(I like the Spanish public wealth system: I went to the doctor, had a scan made of my knee and looked into by an expert and went to the pharmacy to buy the necessary pills. All it cost me was 50 cents for the pills. In belgium you'd have to pay a lot for the doctor and the scan and the pills. Spaniards probably need to pay higher insurance to recover those costs, so the final result is equal to Belgium. It feels a lot better however not having to pay for every element of the chain...)
(I like the Spanish public wealth system: I went to the doctor, had a scan made of my knee and looked into by an expert and went to the pharmacy to buy the necessary pills. All it cost me was 50 cents for the pills. In belgium you'd have to pay a lot for the doctor and the scan and the pills. Spaniards probably need to pay higher insurance to recover those costs, so the final result is equal to Belgium. It feels a lot better however not having to pay for every element of the chain...)
but if im really ill i will pray my gods to be in Spain and not in Belgium
Don't see the relevance in this. Belgium has very decent hospitals though.
i say a lot of taxes is theft, a little to support new roads, wealth system and education..that yes of course, thats a civilized country and not a jungle, in my opinion
I disagree. The government must tax in order to pay public goods. Education is not a public good (as you will know if you're an economist).
you know, economics is not an exactly science, so you will find arguments to defend neoliberalism and i will find arguments to defend freedom of market with state taking care of education and wealth system ( and yeah, let anyone who wants to make a private hospital or school do it)
I rarely use economic arguments. It's just a matter of liberty.
Don't see the relevance in this. Belgium has very decent hospitals though.
i say a lot of taxes is theft, a little to support new roads, wealth system and education..that yes of course, thats a civilized country and not a jungle, in my opinion
I disagree. The government must tax in order to pay public goods. Education is not a public good (as you will know if you're an economist).
you know, economics is not an exactly science, so you will find arguments to defend neoliberalism and i will find arguments to defend freedom of market with state taking care of education and wealth system ( and yeah, let anyone who wants to make a private hospital or school do it)
I rarely use economic arguments. It's just a matter of liberty.
Do you prefer the public wealth system costs not to be obliged for everyone?
I prefer no public wealth system.
(I like the Spanish public wealth system: I went to the doctor, had a scan made of my knee and looked into by an expert and went to the pharmacy to buy the necessary pills. All it cost me was 50 cents for the pills. In belgium you'd have to pay a lot for the doctor and the scan and the pills. Spaniards probably need to pay higher insurance to recover those costs, so the final result is equal to Belgium. It feels a lot better however not having to pay for every element of the chain...)
There exists something known as private health care. Instead of paying your taxes (well, technically, they aren't taxes, they are social contributions) you pay your private health care. But the difference is that you don't obligate people to buy certain assurances (and therefore, goods). With a public health care, you force people to buy a product. Which is imo indefensible.
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I prefer no public wealth system.
(I like the Spanish public wealth system: I went to the doctor, had a scan made of my knee and looked into by an expert and went to the pharmacy to buy the necessary pills. All it cost me was 50 cents for the pills. In belgium you'd have to pay a lot for the doctor and the scan and the pills. Spaniards probably need to pay higher insurance to recover those costs, so the final result is equal to Belgium. It feels a lot better however not having to pay for every element of the chain...)
There exists something known as private health care. Instead of paying your taxes (well, technically, they aren't taxes, they are social contributions) you pay your private health care. But the difference is that you don't obligate people to buy certain assurances (and therefore, goods). With a public health care, you force people to buy a product. Which is imo indefensible.
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I prefer no public wealth system.
That would be pretty irresponsible, don't you think? Not everyone's as smart as you. "Less intelligent" or less fortunate people would get themselves in serious trouble if public health system wouldn't exist, because they don't have the intelligence, or the capability, to save up money for unforeseen medical expenses...
That would be pretty irresponsible, don't you think? Not everyone's as smart as you. "Less intelligent" or less fortunate people would get themselves in serious trouble if public health system wouldn't exist, because they don't have the intelligence, or the capability, to save up money for unforeseen medical expenses...
That would be pretty irresponsible, don't you think?
No. On the contrary.
Not everyone's as smart as you. "Less intelligent" or less fortunate people would get themselves in serious trouble if public health system wouldn't exist, because they don't have the intelligence, or the capability, to save up money for unforeseen medical expenses...
It would be their problem (they created it), but this really doesn't matter. One can make private social security, private health care, ... Just the same, but without forcing anyone to participate. And not organized by the state of course.
No. On the contrary.
Not everyone's as smart as you. "Less intelligent" or less fortunate people would get themselves in serious trouble if public health system wouldn't exist, because they don't have the intelligence, or the capability, to save up money for unforeseen medical expenses...
It would be their problem (they created it), but this really doesn't matter. One can make private social security, private health care, ... Just the same, but without forcing anyone to participate. And not organized by the state of course.
it wouldn't matter? You're losing touch with reality.
Less fortunate people wouldn't take private/public health care if they weren't obliged to. That's just the way they reason. This would eventually lead for them getting into trouble whenever they have big unforeseen expenses. They can't pay for it, end up in misery and poverty, and it would eventually end up in crime. Look what happens in the paradise of USA. I don't want that over here.
This won't happen to all "less fortunate" people, but certainly to a percentage of it, even if it's only 2%. I don't want it.
(There's more to it than that of course, this is just my focus on the case)
Less fortunate people wouldn't take private/public health care if they weren't obliged to. That's just the way they reason. This would eventually lead for them getting into trouble whenever they have big unforeseen expenses. They can't pay for it, end up in misery and poverty, and it would eventually end up in crime. Look what happens in the paradise of USA. I don't want that over here.
This won't happen to all "less fortunate" people, but certainly to a percentage of it, even if it's only 2%. I don't want it.
(There's more to it than that of course, this is just my focus on the case)
I am stilll wonder Jim, why you post it here :-) ... cos as Levitate copy:
So, about those Greek failings: Greece does indeed have a lot of corruption and a lot of tax evasion, and the Greek government has had a habit of living beyond its means. Beyond that, Greek labor productivity is low by European standards — about 25 percent below the European Union average.
I am not telling that this is the only reason, yes there are also financial problems caused by western banks but anyway, you can see where is problem in that copied text :-)
So, about those Greek failings: Greece does indeed have a lot of corruption and a lot of tax evasion, and the Greek government has had a habit of living beyond its means. Beyond that, Greek labor productivity is low by European standards — about 25 percent below the European Union average.
I am not telling that this is the only reason, yes there are also financial problems caused by western banks but anyway, you can see where is problem in that copied text :-)
it wouldn't matter? You're losing touch with reality.
I said that that doesn't matter because it doesn't need that way (no health care).
Less fortunate people wouldn't take private/public health care if they weren't obliged to.
Well, then that's their choice, isn't?
This won't happen to all "less fortunate" people, but certainly to a percentage of it, even if it's only 2%. I don't want it.
So because you don't want it, you think it's okay to organize a massive theft (the huge taxes)? But yeah, this is the problem I have with democracy. You'll always have people voting to steal from other people.
The difference between you and me is that you have the what is called socialist reflex to 'protect' (I don't see it as protection though) people from themselves. Just like a lot of people have a socialist reflex to forbid things they don't like. I miss that reflex. Luckily ;-)
(And no, I'm not saying you're a socialist.)
I said that that doesn't matter because it doesn't need that way (no health care).
Less fortunate people wouldn't take private/public health care if they weren't obliged to.
Well, then that's their choice, isn't?
This won't happen to all "less fortunate" people, but certainly to a percentage of it, even if it's only 2%. I don't want it.
So because you don't want it, you think it's okay to organize a massive theft (the huge taxes)? But yeah, this is the problem I have with democracy. You'll always have people voting to steal from other people.
The difference between you and me is that you have the what is called socialist reflex to 'protect' (I don't see it as protection though) people from themselves. Just like a lot of people have a socialist reflex to forbid things they don't like. I miss that reflex. Luckily ;-)
(And no, I'm not saying you're a socialist.)
I indeed have the socialist reflex to protect people from themselves. I believe it's necessary for some people :)
You could say I'm a socialist, I won't be offended. I'm not a real socialist (I vote CD&V), but I do have more tendencies to left than to right, that's true.
For my personal best, your system and your thoughts are perfect. I could perfectly live in your ideal world. The problem I have with your ideology however, is that your ideal world requires smart people. In real world not all people have the necessary intelligence to survive in your system ;-)
You could say I'm a socialist, I won't be offended. I'm not a real socialist (I vote CD&V), but I do have more tendencies to left than to right, that's true.
For my personal best, your system and your thoughts are perfect. I could perfectly live in your ideal world. The problem I have with your ideology however, is that your ideal world requires smart people. In real world not all people have the necessary intelligence to survive in your system ;-)