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yes i think is the same way, its sad free press only really free if it dosent affect the big fishes that
Rumpil, it's long time since I visited here.
So you care about reality. Fine.
In reality, Syrian army killed 20,000 civilians and you still find it appropriate to blame other countries for it. You're not biased at all, are you?
You care for the poor and weak, don't you?
Thousands of refugies try to run from Syria to the borders and are being shot by the army, even after they cross borders (to Jordan for example). That does not annoy you but you care more to accuse the US for anything they will do. Whether they try to intervene, or if they keep distance, you criticise them.
Talk about slaughter? Too many occurancies of hundreds of women and children found dead in conflicted neighborhoods but no criticism from you?
I am sure that we would have heard your voice if this "reality" occured (even accidently) in other places, where your biased attitude is targeted and focused.
So you care about reality. Fine.
In reality, Syrian army killed 20,000 civilians and you still find it appropriate to blame other countries for it. You're not biased at all, are you?
You care for the poor and weak, don't you?
Thousands of refugies try to run from Syria to the borders and are being shot by the army, even after they cross borders (to Jordan for example). That does not annoy you but you care more to accuse the US for anything they will do. Whether they try to intervene, or if they keep distance, you criticise them.
Talk about slaughter? Too many occurancies of hundreds of women and children found dead in conflicted neighborhoods but no criticism from you?
I am sure that we would have heard your voice if this "reality" occured (even accidently) in other places, where your biased attitude is targeted and focused.
NoWhereMan.... it depends on information and then if you want select which death is ok and which not. (imho every death is bad). For example I saw video what was doing syrian rebels with people, I almost get sick and had to go to toilet. (can not post, forum rules and it is just good) Of course, I can not be sure what is true too, I just saw it and we all know how can be such a information abused....
What I know very well is that who is supporting people with guns and making conflict worse and bigger and not good man/country. And I am sure, nobody care about democracy in Syria, but US care about easier way to Iran :-(.
I dont think that sending more guns and secret money for rebels can solve problem. I hate this kind of solution. You can see it in Lybia what western world made from one prosperous country where people lived in peace but not in democracy their lifes. They had jobs, schools, vacations - normal life.
What they have now (except democracy :-D), there are still fights and people dying just nobody care. They dont have stable normal jobs, they had to forget on "normal life" and most of them will be crying for their dead family members long time.
Of course, you can say, It had to be done, so they can be happy now..but such a sentences are ridiculous for me, no ! no they are not happy now in lybia !
(do you think people are now happy in iraq :-D ?)
So what you want to hear from me. That refugees are normal and Assad or what is his name is good boy :-DD? No, I hate all sides warning them but I hate more states which supported it and make it much worse just for need be closer to Iran :-(.
I will not say that syria's president is good man, same as I said that Quaddafi is dick. (but the best solution for them in that time)
But your supported way of conflict solution is worse. One more thing, that refugees would never exist if US is not supported rebels by guns and money... so who it is fault ?
If nobody care to that internal conflict, situation would end already. And people can start maybe organized themselves better, trying to persuade own people and people around that they need change or what ever, but not just take guns and play on rambo :-(.
You can tell me just one name of country where US was supported aggressions and where they now live happy and say "thx US".
What I know very well is that who is supporting people with guns and making conflict worse and bigger and not good man/country. And I am sure, nobody care about democracy in Syria, but US care about easier way to Iran :-(.
I dont think that sending more guns and secret money for rebels can solve problem. I hate this kind of solution. You can see it in Lybia what western world made from one prosperous country where people lived in peace but not in democracy their lifes. They had jobs, schools, vacations - normal life.
What they have now (except democracy :-D), there are still fights and people dying just nobody care. They dont have stable normal jobs, they had to forget on "normal life" and most of them will be crying for their dead family members long time.
Of course, you can say, It had to be done, so they can be happy now..but such a sentences are ridiculous for me, no ! no they are not happy now in lybia !
(do you think people are now happy in iraq :-D ?)
So what you want to hear from me. That refugees are normal and Assad or what is his name is good boy :-DD? No, I hate all sides warning them but I hate more states which supported it and make it much worse just for need be closer to Iran :-(.
I will not say that syria's president is good man, same as I said that Quaddafi is dick. (but the best solution for them in that time)
But your supported way of conflict solution is worse. One more thing, that refugees would never exist if US is not supported rebels by guns and money... so who it is fault ?
If nobody care to that internal conflict, situation would end already. And people can start maybe organized themselves better, trying to persuade own people and people around that they need change or what ever, but not just take guns and play on rambo :-(.
You can tell me just one name of country where US was supported aggressions and where they now live happy and say "thx US".
sorry for long post... I just want to show my whole opinon, I dont want say shortly Assad is king and will win.. :-DDD
That region (middle east and africa) is so hot and fanatics, they I shouldnt care too much, cos these people dont want to solve anything in peace.... but if somebody is abusing they war mood, it is bad.
That region (middle east and africa) is so hot and fanatics, they I shouldnt care too much, cos these people dont want to solve anything in peace.... but if somebody is abusing they war mood, it is bad.
and sorry of my ugly english... I am lazy to improve it.... :-DD
For example I saw video what was doing syrian rebels with people
I agree on this. Nobody is defending those. What happened in Libya (with Khadaffi) made me sick. That's not the point though. The point is that those regimes (Libya, Syria) are even worse. The lesser evil is always better.
What I know very well is that who is supporting people with guns and making conflict worse and bigger and not good man/country.
That is wrong. The Americans did not make WWII worse. They helped it to be solved (in a very bloody way, but the only possible way). In your logic, the Americans worsened WWII. I could not disagree more. The British who helped the resistance in occupied countries supported people with guns. Did they make the confligt worse? I'd say they didn't. At that time, the Nazi-regime in Germany was the evil that had to be stopped. Now, it is obvious that Assad-regime is the evil that has to be stopped.
And I am sure, nobody care about democracy in Syria, but US care about easier way to Iran
I have the same feeling. The States don't care for democracy around the world. I consider their motives less important however (for the moment). You know I don't like the American foreign policy (Afghanistan, Iraq).
I dont think that sending more guns and secret money for rebels can solve problem. I hate this kind of solution.
Hating one solution is one thing. Coming with another one is the important thing though. Tell me, how would you solve it?
(Btw, in my ideal world, I'd chose a different solution too. I'll explain it to you after you explained your solution.)
They dont have stable normal jobs, they had to forget on "normal life" and most of them will be crying for their dead family members long time.
Tell me, how on earth would you call a Syrian life under the Assad-regime a "normal life"? There is no such thing.
One more thing, that refugees would never exist if US is not supported rebels by guns and money... so who it is fault ?
Well, the opposition would be killed. Yeah, that's better.
You can tell me just one name of country where US was supported aggressions and where they now live happy and say "thx US".
Not a country. An entire continent. Europe.
I agree on this. Nobody is defending those. What happened in Libya (with Khadaffi) made me sick. That's not the point though. The point is that those regimes (Libya, Syria) are even worse. The lesser evil is always better.
What I know very well is that who is supporting people with guns and making conflict worse and bigger and not good man/country.
That is wrong. The Americans did not make WWII worse. They helped it to be solved (in a very bloody way, but the only possible way). In your logic, the Americans worsened WWII. I could not disagree more. The British who helped the resistance in occupied countries supported people with guns. Did they make the confligt worse? I'd say they didn't. At that time, the Nazi-regime in Germany was the evil that had to be stopped. Now, it is obvious that Assad-regime is the evil that has to be stopped.
And I am sure, nobody care about democracy in Syria, but US care about easier way to Iran
I have the same feeling. The States don't care for democracy around the world. I consider their motives less important however (for the moment). You know I don't like the American foreign policy (Afghanistan, Iraq).
I dont think that sending more guns and secret money for rebels can solve problem. I hate this kind of solution.
Hating one solution is one thing. Coming with another one is the important thing though. Tell me, how would you solve it?
(Btw, in my ideal world, I'd chose a different solution too. I'll explain it to you after you explained your solution.)
They dont have stable normal jobs, they had to forget on "normal life" and most of them will be crying for their dead family members long time.
Tell me, how on earth would you call a Syrian life under the Assad-regime a "normal life"? There is no such thing.
One more thing, that refugees would never exist if US is not supported rebels by guns and money... so who it is fault ?
Well, the opposition would be killed. Yeah, that's better.
You can tell me just one name of country where US was supported aggressions and where they now live happy and say "thx US".
Not a country. An entire continent. Europe.
Hi everyone!
This is my first comment in that topic. I want to make a little OFF and ask all guy who lives in Israel or near to that country. I hear quiet intresting and sad news from there region. What do you think about the Israeli and Palestinian conflict? I heard strange informations and I'm still want to know more from people who lives in these areas, may you can tell me new things.
OH and I forgot, if somebody wants it to, write a private message, maybe we can talk much personally, face to face.
Doromb
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This is my first comment in that topic. I want to make a little OFF and ask all guy who lives in Israel or near to that country. I hear quiet intresting and sad news from there region. What do you think about the Israeli and Palestinian conflict? I heard strange informations and I'm still want to know more from people who lives in these areas, may you can tell me new things.
OH and I forgot, if somebody wants it to, write a private message, maybe we can talk much personally, face to face.
Doromb
(edited)
The Americans did not make WWII worse. They helped it to be solved (in a very bloody way, but the only possible way).In your logic, the Americans worsened WWII.
Different situation...US went to war just after they realized that russia will win this war so if they didnt take their part of EU, all will belong to russia :-). Or how can you explain that they were waiting till germany start losing war :-) ?? So this comparison is not well.
British are another case, they were really brave in WW2.... but I still think that comparison to WWII is bad.
Try to find actual case... in last 30 years :-) Maybe in central america :-D
I have the same feeling. The States don't care for democracy around the world. I consider their motives less important however (for the moment).
So you accept my opinion that they abuse syria and their small internal conflict which grow up to civil war now and you still think they US help there is ok.... I am really confused now !
Tell me, how would you solve it?
Simple, same as Russia and Chine said. Dont involve let them solve it on their own.
Now there wouldnt be any problem, any next deads.... home inhabitants can start "forming" themselves, make better organizations, ask UNO and international org. for help and with stronger pressure try make civil war with "UNO agree". Why not ? yes, longer and hard way, but with less dead. Who says that we had to solve tens years old problems in one month !!!!
Tell me, how on earth would you call a Syrian life under the Assad-regime a "normal life"? There is no such thing.
Tell me, how on earth would you call totalism regtime in east europe a normal life ??
(people with the opposite opinions were going to jail or more to east to winter holiday :-( )
But maybe 10-30% of our people like that times much more now, maybe 40% like it but they want old system with changes, but still want it. Do you see this ? That is the point :-) ?
You dont live in such a countries, you can just read about it from books, but in western news or literature nobody write about this. I hate that system, and that times... but a lot of people after they realized what is democracy and capitalism love it now ! And we are europe country, try to understand that africa and syria has another mentality.
Well, the opposition would be killed. Yeah, that's better.
Opposition which consist of major of population will win and is fighting longer time maybe. Small opposition in fast strike not.
Not a country. An entire continent. Europe.
How US help Slovakia in WW2. They left us, poland and others in hand of USSR, so sorry, this is bad example !!!
Different situation...US went to war just after they realized that russia will win this war so if they didnt take their part of EU, all will belong to russia :-). Or how can you explain that they were waiting till germany start losing war :-) ?? So this comparison is not well.
British are another case, they were really brave in WW2.... but I still think that comparison to WWII is bad.
Try to find actual case... in last 30 years :-) Maybe in central america :-D
I have the same feeling. The States don't care for democracy around the world. I consider their motives less important however (for the moment).
So you accept my opinion that they abuse syria and their small internal conflict which grow up to civil war now and you still think they US help there is ok.... I am really confused now !
Tell me, how would you solve it?
Simple, same as Russia and Chine said. Dont involve let them solve it on their own.
Now there wouldnt be any problem, any next deads.... home inhabitants can start "forming" themselves, make better organizations, ask UNO and international org. for help and with stronger pressure try make civil war with "UNO agree". Why not ? yes, longer and hard way, but with less dead. Who says that we had to solve tens years old problems in one month !!!!
Tell me, how on earth would you call a Syrian life under the Assad-regime a "normal life"? There is no such thing.
Tell me, how on earth would you call totalism regtime in east europe a normal life ??
(people with the opposite opinions were going to jail or more to east to winter holiday :-( )
But maybe 10-30% of our people like that times much more now, maybe 40% like it but they want old system with changes, but still want it. Do you see this ? That is the point :-) ?
You dont live in such a countries, you can just read about it from books, but in western news or literature nobody write about this. I hate that system, and that times... but a lot of people after they realized what is democracy and capitalism love it now ! And we are europe country, try to understand that africa and syria has another mentality.
Well, the opposition would be killed. Yeah, that's better.
Opposition which consist of major of population will win and is fighting longer time maybe. Small opposition in fast strike not.
Not a country. An entire continent. Europe.
How US help Slovakia in WW2. They left us, poland and others in hand of USSR, so sorry, this is bad example !!!
Not a country. An entire continent. Europe.
How US help Slovakia in WW2. They left us, poland and others in hand of USSR, so sorry, this is bad example !!!
What a big turth, USA is just a money-hungry, capitalist, puppet state controled by interest groups. Media controlls everything, the people are brainwashed. They came for money in the WW2, and left when they get what they wanted.
How US help Slovakia in WW2. They left us, poland and others in hand of USSR, so sorry, this is bad example !!!
What a big turth, USA is just a money-hungry, capitalist, puppet state controled by interest groups. Media controlls everything, the people are brainwashed. They came for money in the WW2, and left when they get what they wanted.
private is better cos this case is very sensitive in world and on this forum too :-D.
I will tell it shortly after I talk with some people from there.... I will try be very objective I hope but I know that somebody can say that I am not objective, they can explain it too :-).
1. After WW2 Israel wanted their place for life, they choose old "land" in Arabic territory... if I am right.
2. Nobody want and like them there, but UNO(world) accept their right for life and make new state there with exact borders.
3. It was hot area, nobody want have israels there, so their neighbors start to warning with israel. We can say, there were aggressors, cos they didnt like new state in that area. But Isreel wasnt so weak and was able to defend. Bad times for every side maybe.
4. As the population in Israel were growing they starting take more of foreign land as UNO(world) gave them. So the conflict started to be worse and worse.
5. Israel took most of land (not sure how much) of Palestine, they were attacking them of course. To stop attacks from palestina Israel started to make "fences", extra roads, controlled zones and so... they "destroy" their enemy (I mean economy, infrastructure and so) but they still live there for revenge.
This point I am not sure, no details I mean that generally it is true, but it is more difficult problem how it was happening..
6. After tens of years, every child in Palestine is born to revenge, they life is poor and they know just guns and attacks. But they can not win, cos Israel grow to very strong country with strong modern army also with nuclear weapons. So they started attack civilians as last way of their fight.
7. A lot of politicians tried to solve it (was Arafat poisoned or not???), but nobody will give back Palestine territory and nobody can change tens of ugly history, so their (both) future is just war and civil attacks.
.... hard to say where the problem started .... or maybe we know where, but I will not say it....
I will tell it shortly after I talk with some people from there.... I will try be very objective I hope but I know that somebody can say that I am not objective, they can explain it too :-).
1. After WW2 Israel wanted their place for life, they choose old "land" in Arabic territory... if I am right.
2. Nobody want and like them there, but UNO(world) accept their right for life and make new state there with exact borders.
3. It was hot area, nobody want have israels there, so their neighbors start to warning with israel. We can say, there were aggressors, cos they didnt like new state in that area. But Isreel wasnt so weak and was able to defend. Bad times for every side maybe.
4. As the population in Israel were growing they starting take more of foreign land as UNO(world) gave them. So the conflict started to be worse and worse.
5. Israel took most of land (not sure how much) of Palestine, they were attacking them of course. To stop attacks from palestina Israel started to make "fences", extra roads, controlled zones and so... they "destroy" their enemy (I mean economy, infrastructure and so) but they still live there for revenge.
This point I am not sure, no details I mean that generally it is true, but it is more difficult problem how it was happening..
6. After tens of years, every child in Palestine is born to revenge, they life is poor and they know just guns and attacks. But they can not win, cos Israel grow to very strong country with strong modern army also with nuclear weapons. So they started attack civilians as last way of their fight.
7. A lot of politicians tried to solve it (was Arafat poisoned or not???), but nobody will give back Palestine territory and nobody can change tens of ugly history, so their (both) future is just war and civil attacks.
.... hard to say where the problem started .... or maybe we know where, but I will not say it....