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private is better cos this case is very sensitive in world and on this forum too :-D.

I will tell it shortly after I talk with some people from there.... I will try be very objective I hope but I know that somebody can say that I am not objective, they can explain it too :-).

1. After WW2 Israel wanted their place for life, they choose old "land" in Arabic territory... if I am right.

2. Nobody want and like them there, but UNO(world) accept their right for life and make new state there with exact borders.

3. It was hot area, nobody want have israels there, so their neighbors start to warning with israel. We can say, there were aggressors, cos they didnt like new state in that area. But Isreel wasnt so weak and was able to defend. Bad times for every side maybe.

4. As the population in Israel were growing they starting take more of foreign land as UNO(world) gave them. So the conflict started to be worse and worse.

5. Israel took most of land (not sure how much) of Palestine, they were attacking them of course. To stop attacks from palestina Israel started to make "fences", extra roads, controlled zones and so... they "destroy" their enemy (I mean economy, infrastructure and so) but they still live there for revenge.
This point I am not sure, no details I mean that generally it is true, but it is more difficult problem how it was happening..

6. After tens of years, every child in Palestine is born to revenge, they life is poor and they know just guns and attacks. But they can not win, cos Israel grow to very strong country with strong modern army also with nuclear weapons. So they started attack civilians as last way of their fight.

7. A lot of politicians tried to solve it (was Arafat poisoned or not???), but nobody will give back Palestine territory and nobody can change tens of ugly history, so their (both) future is just war and civil attacks.

.... hard to say where the problem started .... or maybe we know where, but I will not say it....

I agree my friend... and it is not very often I agree with Hungarian's opions on history :-DDD

(btw.. for those who blame me that I dont like Magyars.... I was this summer on holiday in Budapest :-). So I am not sure how that people can explain this..... :-D I was in flat in centrum, owner was a man named Arpi and it was very polite, good man which help us to feel very good there and I would be happy if all people in both our countries were like him :-) )

"(btw.. for those who blame me that I dont like Magyars.... I was this summer on holiday in Budapest :-). So I am not sure how that people can explain this..... :-D I was in flat in centrum, owner was a man named Arpi and it was very polite, good man which help us to feel very good there and I would be happy if all people in both our countries were like him :-) ) "

khmkhm :) same there! I just want to say Slovan-Videoton 1-1 :P

And back to the Israeli thing: I see things exactly like you. Just imagine you live now in Slovakia or me in Hungary, and suddenly an uknown, and hated people starts to move to your land. Maybe in the first year there are few, but later your left and later your right neighbor would be from the unknown "nation". It is anoying and really disgusting, isn't it? This is how I see, I think Palestine is right, they have to defend their land, people, memories, everything what they get there. This is why I'm not sympathize with Israel or with the USA -> they do the same...

but you had to realize, that Palestinians are really bad, they really use very ugly civil attacks and it is hard change their mood.... and all neighbours around them are same on Israel. So a lot of innocent people in Israel are dying and nobody look now on decades old history..... If you live there you would support your army too, cos you need to feel safe there!!

Problem was made in far past history and that is why nobody can solve it now. Of course, if I should invite to my house somebody, I would invite man from Israel to my home, not Palestine man :-).

And there is also true that there is big anti-americanism and anti-judaism in the world. I know that very often people just LIKE speak badly about US and Israel.

My opinion is that Israel and US are really too aggressive, I just dont want to say that I support opposite side.
True is always somewhere in the middle maybe, but I really hate "making forced changes" by army in foreign countries. I hate aggression and violence by power....and I dont think that democracy is good for everyone !

1. After WW2 Israel wanted their place for life, they choose old "land" in Arabic territory... if I am right.
If i remember well, it was before WWII... It was when the British occupied the Palestine land in 1917 (they won against Ottoman Empire)... They gave a promise to the sionist organisation to give them a land for their people. It was only effective in 1948.
This land given was obvious due to Holocaust during the WWII... UN couldn't choose anywhere else...

But strategically for USA, new leader of the World at the end of the WWII, it was a nice choice to have a strong control of this area by supporting feet by feet the new Israeli country.

About USA during WWII, at the beginning, they did not want to come and battle against the IIIrd Reich because it was a very distant conflict but as soon as Japanese army became dangerous for the control of the pacific area and at the same time, they see USSR beginning to come back from hell could control all western Europe, they had no choice but to launch a long battle... At least, they made the good choice : they saved Europe from horror of Hitler's army, they blocked the USSR army enough to control one part of the Europe... And with a totally ruined Europe, they could begin to rebuilt the countries with all their knwoledges about technologies and US products sold there. They had a unbelievable possibility to developp their economy and finally be recognized as a strong counrty towards the too proud Europe who take US people up... And the capitalist way of life could extend to all the world after seeing such fool Staline controlling an area only with despoting arms that could not resist to freedom given by american view.

The US history is so short compared to Europe history... But their land has so much possibilities... It is a very proud people who lives with no long basis history... They act like child who know everything and want everything. Very interesting people to study and to meet.

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Different situation...US went to war just after they realized that russia will win this war so if they didnt take their part of EU, all will belong to russia :-). Or how can you explain that they were waiting till germany start losing war :-) ?? So this comparison is not well.

The situation is irrelevant. You said giving guns to people doesn't solve conflicts. That's wrong.

British are another case, they were really brave in WW2.... but I still think that comparison to WWII is bad.
Try to find actual case... in last 30 years :-) Maybe in central america :-D

You only think it's a bad comparison because it doesn't suit your logic. This is why the comparison is good:

1) there is a clear aggressor (Nazi-Germany then, Assad-regime now) and
2) both sides aren't saints (both the WWII-resistance as the Syrian opposition made/make serious mistakes).

So you accept my opinion that they abuse syria and their small internal conflict which grow up to civil war now and you still think they US help there is ok.... I am really confused now !

That is because you refuse to read what I write. I don't care for motives. I care for a solution.

Simple, same as Russia and Chine said. Dont involve let them solve it on their own.

Okay. That's clear. The States should not have intervened in WWII then.

Now there wouldnt be any problem, any next deads.... home inhabitants can start "forming" themselves, make better organizations, ask UNO and international org. for help and with stronger pressure try make civil war with "UNO agree". Why not ? yes, longer and hard way, but with less dead.

Dafuq. Assad wouldn't kill the opposition. No Sir, he wouldn't! You believe that?

Opposition which consist of major of population will win and is fighting longer time maybe.

And no deaths. No deaths at all!

How US help Slovakia in WW2. They left us, poland and others in hand of USSR, so sorry, this is bad example !!!

You asked for a country. I gave you Europe. If you refuse Europe as an answer, let me give you this one: Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Germany (!), Greece. For starters.

How US help Slovakia in WW2. They left us, poland and others in hand of USSR, so sorry, this is bad example !!!

What happened during Cold War is not relevant to the case. During WWII, Russia and the States - as allies - fought together against fascism. That we know now that communism is as evil as fascism is not relevant.

What a big turth, USA is just a money-hungry, capitalist, puppet state controled by interest groups. Media controlls everything, the people are brainwashed. They came for money in the WW2, and left when they get what they wanted.

The Marshall-plan has never existed. Never!

Seriously, quit the Soviet meds, would you?
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The situation is irrelevant. You said giving guns to people doesn't solve conflicts. That's wrong.

By my statement I though situation like iran, afganistan, syria and so.... so WWII it is really bad comparison. world war is something different like civil war...

I care for a solution.
I know what the solution will be after this end. Same as it is now in Lybia.....
What solution you await there ?? Democracy with happy people :-D in destroyed country ?

The States should not have intervened in WWII then.
WW2 is not civil war, sorry I can not react this is completely different. But if US didnt involve... now maybe all world would be under USSR :-D

examples
be more actual please and use appropriate example of some civil war or so...

The Marshall-plan has never existed. Never!

Not sure but it was gift or lends ? It was very nice market for US, full of demands :-) and their production was on top, cos nobody was attacking their industry.


Seriously, quit the Soviet meds, would you?
I dont like USSR model :-), but this sentence doesnt mean that I had to completly love western model then :-).
USSR model is much better for life for simple people, for their basic needs and happiness (system was worse for intellectuals and people with ambitions) and it was system with limited human rights.
(criminality were much less and also people can not have such a behaviour like that one in Norway or so....)
Western model is with full human rights but you are slave of money and false economy but simple people are very poor in this model. I like little more western model but I can understand why half or our population like now USSR model :-).

I know and lived in both models, you not :-)

world war is something different like civil war...

What is different besides the passport the people fighting have? Then it were Germans and Italians (well, a little bit :p) against other Europeans, now it are Syrians against Syrians. The fact that they have the same passport makes it different?

What solution you await there ?? Democracy with happy people :-D in destroyed country?

Well, in my ideal world, nothing would happen. People would boycott Syrian products (oil and ... well, basically, oil) which would have a huge influence. That ain't gonna happen, so Assad just has to leave. By doing nothing, Assad will not leave.

You see, I don't like war, but I've had it with your "Blame America!"-stories here.

But if US didnt involve... now maybe all world would be under USSR :-D

So thank you US for giving us at least some freedom.

be more actual please and use appropriate example of some civil war or so...

I've given you examples of countries that were liberated (partly) by the Americans. That's what you asked for. I don't make a difference between 'civil war' and 'normal war'. War is war. Passports don't matter.

Not sure but it was gift or lends ? It was very nice market for US, full of demands :-) and their production was on top, cos nobody was attacking their industry.

Gifts. That were presented to Eastern Europe too, but the USSR said "No" in your place.

USSR model is much better for life for simple people, for their basic needs and happiness (system was worse for intellectuals and people with ambitions) and it was system with limited human rights.

USSR-model was worse in every single aspect of life. There was no life. The government tolerated you (if you had 'suitable opinions'). That's not a life. That's torture.

I know and lived in both models, you not :-)

Luckily I didn't.

ok..family duties are comming... I had to end :-D

"but you had to realize, that Palestinians are really bad, they really use very ugly civil attacks and it is hard change their mood.... "

Well I can tell you some facts. Just imagine, that you live in Slovakia or like me in Hungary, and suddenly huge amount of people moves to you country. There's no problem. I've a Palestininan friend, and he told me quiet intresting things. Israeli soldiers kill childs and womans too, they not show any mercy. Just think about it. Other people KILLS YOUR FAMILY IN YOUR COUNTRY and the world tells you are a f*cking arab terrorist, and shots on you too. These people who makes civil attacks and make suicide bomb outrage has no family, lost everything because of jews. They are absolutly tired of fleeing, and sadness because of lost friends and family members . If I would be in same situatuon, I would do the same. My Palestinian friend's family died too, he ran away from Palestina with his mother to find a new home. And the worst thing that EU and USA demolish houses and kill people of Palestina too in cooperative with Israel. Poor Palestinian people :(

I've a Palestininan friend, and he told me quiet intresting things.

Was he afraid the Israeli's would hear and shoot him? ;-)

This is pure rubbish.

In which country do you think arab people prefer mostly to live?

In Syria? I don't think so.
In other arab countries? I don't think so
In Europe? More likely, but they still complain.
In Israel? Guess what - the best place on earth, thanks to civilian society, humanistic education and real freedom to do, wear, think and protest, whenever and what ever you want.

There is a lot to complain for everyone, but Israeli Arabs have the best.

There is a lot to complain for everyone, but Israeli Arabs have the best.

Dear NoWhereMan,

I beg to differ.

Sincerely,
The World