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jews are just doing with the palestinians the same thing that nazis did with him during the world war two.
the diference is: they preffer bombs and guns than gas.
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Well, for a start, would you please follow this link?
This is Israely food supplied to Gaza. And if you really want to know, agriculture yield from Gaza is sold in Israeli markets. The gates are open for bi-directional supplies.
Now about the bombs and guns.
More than 500 rockets were thrown today onto Israeli civilian cities and vilages. They were sent in deliberate purpose TO KILL people. This is in addition to many more hundreds of rockets that were launched during all last week - BEFORE Israel decided to put and end to it.
So who is exactly doing (or trying to do) the killing?
The reason that there are minimal casualties in this area at both sides is thanks to Israel. By defending against Hamas Missiles and refraining from hitting Gaza civilians that are used as human shield by coward Hamas.
Some people here continue with the false claim that Israel was founded without owning the land.
Well this is absolutely not the case. From the 19th century, jews legaly bought lands in extremelely high cost. The UN original division plan was drawn according to these facts.
I already referred to this subject a few months ago in this forum.
The straight fact is that if Hamas would really stop war there would not be war.
If Israel stopped defending itself there would not be Israel.
A wise lady said many years ago - peace will only come when arabs will start to love their children more than they hate jews.
jews are just doing with the palestinians the same thing that nazis did with him during the world war two.
the diference is: they preffer bombs and guns than gas.
------end of quote
Well, for a start, would you please follow this link?
This is Israely food supplied to Gaza. And if you really want to know, agriculture yield from Gaza is sold in Israeli markets. The gates are open for bi-directional supplies.
Now about the bombs and guns.
More than 500 rockets were thrown today onto Israeli civilian cities and vilages. They were sent in deliberate purpose TO KILL people. This is in addition to many more hundreds of rockets that were launched during all last week - BEFORE Israel decided to put and end to it.
So who is exactly doing (or trying to do) the killing?
The reason that there are minimal casualties in this area at both sides is thanks to Israel. By defending against Hamas Missiles and refraining from hitting Gaza civilians that are used as human shield by coward Hamas.
Some people here continue with the false claim that Israel was founded without owning the land.
Well this is absolutely not the case. From the 19th century, jews legaly bought lands in extremelely high cost. The UN original division plan was drawn according to these facts.
I already referred to this subject a few months ago in this forum.
The straight fact is that if Hamas would really stop war there would not be war.
If Israel stopped defending itself there would not be Israel.
A wise lady said many years ago - peace will only come when arabs will start to love their children more than they hate jews.
Some people here continue with the false claim that Israel was founded without owning the land.
Well this is absolutely not the case. From the 19th century, jews legaly bought lands in extremelely high cost. The UN original division plan was drawn according to these facts.
I already referred to this subject a few months ago in this forum.
This is simply not a true. Jews owned just part of the land. David Hirst (real authority) claims that it was 6 % in 1947. However, UN plan gave 57 % of the land to the Jewish people. Arabs lived there for centuries and overnight, they had to leave their homes..
I know it´s a hard topic - but I repeat: Czechs also did horrible things to the Germans after the WWII and also there everyone felt to have a right to do that as a great victim of the war (Czechs were 4th on the dead list). Just don´t lie. Jews are neither pigs, nor saints; we all are people. There are many innocent poeople suffering on both sides. Let´s admit the facts.
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Well this is absolutely not the case. From the 19th century, jews legaly bought lands in extremelely high cost. The UN original division plan was drawn according to these facts.
I already referred to this subject a few months ago in this forum.
This is simply not a true. Jews owned just part of the land. David Hirst (real authority) claims that it was 6 % in 1947. However, UN plan gave 57 % of the land to the Jewish people. Arabs lived there for centuries and overnight, they had to leave their homes..
I know it´s a hard topic - but I repeat: Czechs also did horrible things to the Germans after the WWII and also there everyone felt to have a right to do that as a great victim of the war (Czechs were 4th on the dead list). Just don´t lie. Jews are neither pigs, nor saints; we all are people. There are many innocent poeople suffering on both sides. Let´s admit the facts.
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If Israel stopped defending itself there would not be Israel.
victimize isn't an argument, let alone when refer only to the last event, when this is a result of its history
A wise lady said many years ago - peace will only come when arabs will start to love their children more than they hate jews.
wise lady?, where is her wisdom? that was just an opinion, fraught with political bias. Under an apparent solution, only generalized prejudice.
victimize isn't an argument, let alone when refer only to the last event, when this is a result of its history
A wise lady said many years ago - peace will only come when arabs will start to love their children more than they hate jews.
wise lady?, where is her wisdom? that was just an opinion, fraught with political bias. Under an apparent solution, only generalized prejudice.
Israel has chosen to attack Gaza in order to avoid reaching a longer-term peace settlement that was being negotiated with the help of Hamas’ military leader Ahmen Jabari, who was assassinated in an Israeli attack Wednesday, says Israeli activist.
Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin spoke to RT confirming that Ahmen Jabari was involved in peace settlement negotiations with Israel and was due to send Hamas’ version of a peace draft to Baskin on Wednesday evening before he was killed.
http://rt.com/news/peace-settlement-hamas-israel-882/
But you want peace, trololo.
And how the fuck does 500 rockets kill 3 people ?
Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin spoke to RT confirming that Ahmen Jabari was involved in peace settlement negotiations with Israel and was due to send Hamas’ version of a peace draft to Baskin on Wednesday evening before he was killed.
http://rt.com/news/peace-settlement-hamas-israel-882/
But you want peace, trololo.
And how the fuck does 500 rockets kill 3 people ?
And how the fuck does 500 rockets kill 3 people ?
Not sure is this an ironic question but people dont wait in the streets for the rockets... if it wasnt for the Iron Dome and the shelters and the long preparations through the years of the israeli citizens then those 500 rockets that hamas launched in a single day would kill enought people to make many people think diferent about israel and the palestinian
Not sure is this an ironic question but people dont wait in the streets for the rockets... if it wasnt for the Iron Dome and the shelters and the long preparations through the years of the israeli citizens then those 500 rockets that hamas launched in a single day would kill enought people to make many people think diferent about israel and the palestinian
victimize isn't an argument, let alone when refer only to the last event, when this is a result of its history
I want to know something. What about if chile´s neighbors were too agresive about chile´s existence and their citizens? What do you think if argentinian leaders say "chile must be destroyed" and Bolivia leaders claimed for chile burning and dissapear and Peru leaders says "we have to push chile to the pacific ocean" and your only allied is the sea?
that is victimize yourself?
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I want to know something. What about if chile´s neighbors were too agresive about chile´s existence and their citizens? What do you think if argentinian leaders say "chile must be destroyed" and Bolivia leaders claimed for chile burning and dissapear and Peru leaders says "we have to push chile to the pacific ocean" and your only allied is the sea?
that is victimize yourself?
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not the right context, with your example (exaggerated fiction), you only justify the resource victimize (btw, valid in certain contexts). When the point in this case is, victimize = simplify the picture to justify your own actions. This is a continuum not a point.
I disagreed and even worst if you say "fiction". If you think that the fact of israel neighbours are "exagerated fiction" I think you should learn more about the situation then.
reactions are caused by "something" not because some sunny day some guys were bored. That´s why I given you an example... if someone is throwing rocks to your house I presume you should DO something. Maybe you talk with that "someone" and says to stop, if continues you go to the police, if the police didnt care, what would you do?
so I continue to dont understand why the word "victimize" is here. My opinion is Israel has the right to defend itself if someone is launching rockets to its land. I presume chile would do the same if argentina throw some rockets to chile, for example...
reactions are caused by "something" not because some sunny day some guys were bored. That´s why I given you an example... if someone is throwing rocks to your house I presume you should DO something. Maybe you talk with that "someone" and says to stop, if continues you go to the police, if the police didnt care, what would you do?
so I continue to dont understand why the word "victimize" is here. My opinion is Israel has the right to defend itself if someone is launching rockets to its land. I presume chile would do the same if argentina throw some rockets to chile, for example...
And how the fuck does 500 rockets kill 3 people ?
1. Ridiculous... How many Jews must be killed?
2. Have you ever heard of such a thing as anti-missile shield?
3. These lands are Arabian, the same as Kosowo is Albanian. They are not.
1. Ridiculous... How many Jews must be killed?
2. Have you ever heard of such a thing as anti-missile shield?
3. These lands are Arabian, the same as Kosowo is Albanian. They are not.
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This is simply not a true. Jews owned just part of the land. David Hirst (real authority) claims that it was 6 % in 1947. However, UN plan gave 57 % of the land to the Jewish people. Arabs lived there for centuries and overnight, they had to leave their homes..
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Well, let's set it straight. BTW it was more 6.5% towards 7%.
Now, 60 percet of the land is desert. Almost not populated then and now. Nobody had to leave.
From the rest of the 40% those 6.5% are actually where 90% of the Israely population live today. Take in account that
1. Palestinians also live in their places.
2. Israeli-Arabs still stay in their places and are Israeli citizens who vote for the parliamnent.
3. There is a reasonable amount of non-populated areas (from 500 rockets that were aimed at Israeli cities from Gaza yesterday about 300 fell in open areas)
Therefore 6.5% of lands that were legaly purchased should be put in realistic proportions. I already showed this in this forum several months ago.
I do admit that Arabs left their places but the figures and proportions are vastly exagerated for ages, in purpose to keep the conflict alive. Otherwise there could be an arrangement long time ago.
I do agree with you that many people are suffering on both sides. The fact is that muslems do not recognise our rights to even exist, and it is hard to convince many of the Israelies that there are partners for peace on the other side. Are thousands of rockets aimed deliberately on civilians not good enough evidence? Or hundreds of suicide bombers before Israel built the walls?
I wish I was wrong.
This is simply not a true. Jews owned just part of the land. David Hirst (real authority) claims that it was 6 % in 1947. However, UN plan gave 57 % of the land to the Jewish people. Arabs lived there for centuries and overnight, they had to leave their homes..
------End Of Quote ------------
Well, let's set it straight. BTW it was more 6.5% towards 7%.
Now, 60 percet of the land is desert. Almost not populated then and now. Nobody had to leave.
From the rest of the 40% those 6.5% are actually where 90% of the Israely population live today. Take in account that
1. Palestinians also live in their places.
2. Israeli-Arabs still stay in their places and are Israeli citizens who vote for the parliamnent.
3. There is a reasonable amount of non-populated areas (from 500 rockets that were aimed at Israeli cities from Gaza yesterday about 300 fell in open areas)
Therefore 6.5% of lands that were legaly purchased should be put in realistic proportions. I already showed this in this forum several months ago.
I do admit that Arabs left their places but the figures and proportions are vastly exagerated for ages, in purpose to keep the conflict alive. Otherwise there could be an arrangement long time ago.
I do agree with you that many people are suffering on both sides. The fact is that muslems do not recognise our rights to even exist, and it is hard to convince many of the Israelies that there are partners for peace on the other side. Are thousands of rockets aimed deliberately on civilians not good enough evidence? Or hundreds of suicide bombers before Israel built the walls?
I wish I was wrong.
Victimize? This is a cynical joke.
Victimize was the strategic systematics way for propaganda against the existance of Israel from day 1. It started befor Israel became a state and continues until this very day.
If Israel would not have invested in counter-missiles technology to protect its population, the events would have escalated dramatically faster. Thousand of missiles that were already launched would not keep any civilized country stand still. Is this victimize?
In last 3 days Israel attacks Hamas targets. You would expect that hundreds and thousands of raid in dense population where fighters are using civilians as human shield would cause massive casualties. However it is done with the most careful and precise method ever done in history.
What would have happened if it was not Israel doing the air raids? Any other army in the world?
Would you dare thinking what would have happened if similar weapons were at the hands of Hamas?
Talking about victimize, you should learn from the masters.
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Victimize was the strategic systematics way for propaganda against the existance of Israel from day 1. It started befor Israel became a state and continues until this very day.
If Israel would not have invested in counter-missiles technology to protect its population, the events would have escalated dramatically faster. Thousand of missiles that were already launched would not keep any civilized country stand still. Is this victimize?
In last 3 days Israel attacks Hamas targets. You would expect that hundreds and thousands of raid in dense population where fighters are using civilians as human shield would cause massive casualties. However it is done with the most careful and precise method ever done in history.
What would have happened if it was not Israel doing the air raids? Any other army in the world?
Would you dare thinking what would have happened if similar weapons were at the hands of Hamas?
Talking about victimize, you should learn from the masters.
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Not sure is this an ironic question but people dont wait in the streets for the rockets... if it wasnt for the Iron Dome and the shelters and the long preparations through the years of the israeli citizens then those 500 rockets that hamas launched in a single day would kill enought people to make many people think diferent about israel and the palestinian
Good point.
Good point.
I am not sure how many people would change their way of thinking. Some people do not get confused by facts.
Howevewr if you're open minded, please pay a few minutes to watch this
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No offense, but if I want a neutral view on the Middle East, I certainly am not going to listen to an American ... and certainly not one who is publicly politically biased.
I agree, but the man has a point. Arabs wanted to wipe out jews since day one. So the theory that going back to pre '67 borders would bring peace is bullshit. I strongly believe that if israelians would disband their armed force, there would be a second holocaust there.