Subject: »NEWS AROUND THE WORLD

Qibia was more then 50 year ago,
and sabra and shatila was in the middle of Lebanon war and the goverment went home after that.

Yes we have some bad things in our past (and show ne a country that have no.....),
But you should always remember that we didn't have a peaceful day in our life (accept traveling to Europe:), and the chance for mistakes at that situation i much bigger..........

We tried today to avoid hurting innocent civilian,
but the terror is hiding and firing among them
In each building that might get hurt as Hamas i hiding there (such as the foreign news building that were a hiding place to some terrorist), IDF let the people know before so they can escape in time.

I just wonder what would have happened if it we were on the other position

accept traveling to Europe

To your real homelands ? :)

Get the hell away with your childish propaganda pictures!

To your real homelands ? :)

I think is a wasted of time try to discuss some of the facts with someone wich is prejudiced to its own believes no matter if its right or wrong.

When I read opinions like XTRage or blackend for example, that call israel murderes and genocides and butchers no matter of the current facts, I think Hamas is doing their job

if you want facts:

2012 (right now, in process)

Gaza:

-140 killed

Israel:

-5 killed

2008-2009

Gaza:

-1417 killed

Israel:

-13 killed

is this "equal war" or a genocide like Nazi´s era, or armenian genocide?

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is this "equal war" or a genocide like Nazi´s era, or armenian genocide?

This is an equal war between one of the most sophisticated armies in the world and Hamas. You cannot blame the Israeli's for having such an army. Let's look at the number of rockets fired after the 2008. Who ranks the highest do you think, Hamas or Israel? Tip: it ain't Israel. That Hamas are amateurs compared to Israel, that's a fact.

And who is targeting humans, Israel or Hamas? Tip: it ain't Israel, again.

accept traveling to Europe

To your real homelands ? :)

NO, Israel is my homeland, I was born here, raised here and raise my kids here.

You may say that it was my grandparents home land, but I doubt if they will agree with you as I don't believe that you will ever call a place a Homeland when the majority of the local citizens doesn't want you there ...........

I have no connection for those countries and I am pretty sure that the kids of the Palestinians that left (or forced to do so) in 48, have no real self desire to get back there and its mainly a political show off to convince thamself why not to make real peace with Israel, and justify their violence and terror.

so you based your arguments in the numbers of kills only. So im presumed if it would be more deads on israel side you will be pleased

That´s a cynical way of be "objective"

2012 (right now, in process)

Gaza:

-140 killed

Israel:

-5 killed

(...)

is this "equal war" or a genocide like Nazi´s era, or armenian genocide?

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read :)
Israel should be put on target terrorists? :)
This war does not meet the parity of haunted lefties? :)

This topic shows, that west Europe, is not Europe, just Africo-Arabija.

As here in Kokkedal.

christiandefenceleauge.wordpress.com

I think they have nothing of Christ.
they are haters.

bla bla bla bla bla....

Lets shoot primitive missiles on anyone's city.
Lets bomb a bus in the front of anyone's house.

And I'll see you coming to the Sokker forum shouting murders! pigs! on your local government...

like on your photo !

I´m most objective that many users here; I´m not palestine (or descendent), and I´m not jew or Israeli (or descendent)... my arguments are not contaminated for a past or indoctrination... only facts

it´s curious when I put FACTS death numbers, now it´s not "objective".

when I put other arguments, like the wall, opression, not-human conditions, etc... it´s not objective too.

anycase, I´m not objective for the vision of jews and israelies in this forum; in any forum that is the "trojan horse" of the otherside arguments "you don´t know that" "you´re subjective" even "is an ethnic persecution against Israel".

if you read in the social networks that argument class is same shit that repeat, repeat and repeat in the Israel side.

I think that the only way of be "objective" it´s support to Israel; meanwhile in Gaza the Israel campaign kills day to day "terrorist", civilians, childrens, babies and all his houses and infrastructures... is a FACT, an reality that you can quantify and qualify in every investigation; don´t like see that, is support another human genocide in the history (and I repeat, like Nazis or armenian genocide).
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2012 (right now, in process)

Gaza:

-140 killed

This number includes those who get executed publicly by the Hamas for collaboration..?

It's not Israel's fault to have a better army/defense to keep their number of victims low. Why should a war be "equal"? You prefer more dead people?