Subject: »NEWS AROUND THE WORLD

2012 (right now, in process)

Gaza:

-140 killed

This number includes those who get executed publicly by the Hamas for collaboration..?

It's not Israel's fault to have a better army/defense to keep their number of victims low. Why should a war be "equal"? You prefer more dead people?

Do you think we all are just numbers?

Where do you live? Santiago?
Argentina is now bombing your city daily from Mendoza, your family/kids/neighbours are running all day to shelters, if you have one to get in 30 sec.

Now do nothing, the Argentinians are poor people, they still fight for the Magallanes or whatever...

they are haters.

Maybbe they are haters, maybee not, it doesn't matter.
Important thing is the news I posted. And you can comment this news, not website.

is support another human genocide in the history (and I repeat, like Nazis or armenian genocide).

What genocide? You mean Hamas attacks that every day shooting at Israelis as the ducks?

again, the same reply 7 o 8 page backs

that is a incongruent suposition; Argentina and Chile are 2 nation-state, with army, profesional militaries, high tech weapons, similar forces to fight, maybe similar money.... Gaza haven´t anyone of that things; and Argentina is not a jail, not a poor nation...

prepare the defence systems, then call to UN; not attack over and over again, and then prepare an INVASION with 75.000 militaries to Gaza... directly thats an genocide

the FACTS again, are here

MAP
http://www.theclinic.cl/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/israel-palestina.jpg

This number includes those who get executed publicly by the Hamas for collaboration..?

not, some press sources

http://www.latercera.com/noticia/mundo/2012/11/678-494527-9-aumentan-a-147-los-palestinos-muertos-en-gaza-por-la-ofensiva-israeli-en-medio.shtml

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/61693-10-dead-in-new-israeli-strikes-on-gaza-as-tower-housing-press-offices-hit-anew

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=819046

What genocide? You mean Hamas attacks that every day shooting at Israelis as the ducks?

what ducks? see the past numbers, compared with palestinian downs

Noam Chomsky about Gaza-Prison

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12635-noam-chomsky-my-visit-to-gaza-the-worlds-largest-open-air-prison
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Do you think we all are just numbers?

obviously not, I put numbers because the Israel position attack all arguments with the simple thing "are only subjective opinions-idea, not facts"

now I put facts, and you say "just numbers"?

....

the FACTS again, are here

That map - which isn't even correct: Jerusalem (including Bethlehem) should be shown as international territory on the second map - does not describe the whole situation. That situation is far to complex to reduce it to that.

what ducks? see the past numbers, compared with palestinian downs

Once again, this is an oversimplification. You reduce the situation to a map and the number of deaths. That is incorrect. One also has to take into account what deaths? Are it 1) soldiers, 2) civilians due to collateral damage or 3) civilians killed on purpose. One also has to take into account the number of missiles, and whether or not those missiles were fired as a reaction or not.

Noam Chomsky about Gaza-Prison

Gaza is indeed a prison, and Israel should let the Palestinians who want to leave Gaza leave.

And you're messing up the page, is it that hard to resize?

Edit: and by the way, are you of Palestinian descent? Because I know Chile has a large Palestinian community. Now realizing that either way, you'll probably say no. So nevermind.
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Once again, this is an oversimplification

and again, I put numbers, maps, and any tangible-corporeal facts, because Israel position is defend his arguments and attack the International-Palestinan position with "that aren´t objetive facts"

ideas and other things in this case, its a loss of time.
numbers and tangible info you can´t say "it didn´t happen"

this conflict is more that simple numbers, map,etc.. but if I put ideas, the other argument position attack with the same repeat falsificationism (even you can see the last pages... in many times the other guys mention "and if Argentina attack to Chile??"... probably in Argentina the Israeli community said the same shit "and if Chile attack to Argentina?")

that is a tautological discussion... never ends

and by the way, are you of Palestinian descent?.

my reply about that:

I´m most objective that many users here; I´m not palestine (or descendent), and I´m not jew or Israeli (or descendent)... my arguments are not contaminated for a past or indoctrination... only facts

even if you need a check, i have 2 surname (spanish surname system), none is arab, palestine or similar... I´m 100% chilean (where is posible, like a ex spanish colony, I´m basque-spanish in 3rd generation)

Because I know Chile has a large Palestinian community.

of course, and the Israeli-jew community is so big too, even we have in our government.
you can see here a perfect armony of palestinian and jew in every place.

my view-position are from an conviction-arguments , not from ethnic-religious-subjective position (I haven´t religion)
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It's like talking to a wall. My point is: you're not proving anything with your numbers. Because the numbers lack nuance.

Edit: and by the way, are you of Palestinian descent? Because I know Chile has a large Palestinian community. Now realizing that either way, you'll probably say no. So nevermind.

good strategy for disqualification/invalidation of the other... propose a question, speculating a reality, and conditioning the response in a paradox. Nice one! arguments are not your business...

Incidentally, the Palestinian community in Chile, really identified, is not significant. Another thing is empathy with the conflict. For example, here, only 700 people attended the protest in support of the Palestinian people against the Israeli embassy, in an area of ​​6.5 million inhabitants (Santiago). In Chile we are about 17 million people, draw your accounts.
Read well and make no mistake, one thing is that the number of emigrants from the Arab people to Chile is high (in the numbers of them) and another is that the proportion of Arabs in Chile is high, we have diversity of immigrant communities. I have 30 years and I haven't yet found to the Palestinians over here or with direct descendants, or at least identified with that origin (otherwise, many Germans, Croatians, Catalans and others). So....

btw, maybe i'm lying, nevermind :D

It's like talking to a wall. My point is: you're not proving anything with your numbers. Because the numbers lack nuance.

sure, are only numbers, not real kills, wounded, direct damage, "collateral damage" (beautiful name for a aberration).

and I´m not a wall, only I´m a person with opinion
Wall is this



of course, maybe its only my imagination, not a fact for you, like the expansionism, kills, history, opression...

imagination

maybe someone can think "is a movie!"

edit: I´m sure that video will be deleted soon by Israel from youtube, and maybe in this forum too by some fanatics from here... they don´t like the reality.
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Ok now, this has to stop. I dont give a fuck about who's right and who's wrong, what was first, the chicken or the egg, they need to stop it. UN should interfere by any method and stop these killings. They should dispatch troops along the border and punish those who fire, regardless of the side they are.

bla bla bla bla bla....

Lets shoot primitive missiles on anyone's city.
Lets bomb a bus in the front of anyone's house.

And I'll see you coming to the Sokker forum shouting murders! pigs! on your local government...

this has nothing to do with my post.

they are haters.

Maybbe they are haters, maybee not, it doesn't matter.
Important thing is the news I posted. And you can comment this news, not website.

I comment what I want.
Stupid haters that call themselves christians , just forgettig what Christ said: "Turn the other cheek".
So stupid man haters of arabs/islams, that think we must "defend" christianity, are not christian..