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It's not really pragmatism, it's fatalistic realism
It doesn't matter what you call it. It's still the same.
I'm a huge fan of it, you never get disappointed with anything when you have such attitude ;p
Not being disappointed is not an objective in my life. That's for sissies ;-)
It doesn't matter what you call it. It's still the same.
I'm a huge fan of it, you never get disappointed with anything when you have such attitude ;p
Not being disappointed is not an objective in my life. That's for sissies ;-)
I never said the Palestanians didnt need a state they surely do. I just wanted to point out they are in this war with Israel because they like so.
Consider this :
According to the United Nations weird standards, any person that spent two years in "Palestine" before 1948, with or without proof, is a "Palestinian", as well as all the descendants of that person. Indeed, the PLO leaders eagerly demand the "right" of all Palestinians to come back to the land that they occupied before June 1967 c.e., but utterly reject to return back to the land where they lived only 50 years before, namely, in 1917 c.e. Why? Because if they agree to do so, they have to settle back in Iraq, Syria, Arabia, Libya, Egypt... and only a handful Arabs would remain in Israel (by Israel is intended the whole Land between the Yarden River and the Mediterranean Sea, plus the Golan region). It is thoroughly documented that the first inhabitants of Eretz Yisrael after some centuries were the Jewish pioneers, and not the Arabs Palestinians.
Consider this :
According to the United Nations weird standards, any person that spent two years in "Palestine" before 1948, with or without proof, is a "Palestinian", as well as all the descendants of that person. Indeed, the PLO leaders eagerly demand the "right" of all Palestinians to come back to the land that they occupied before June 1967 c.e., but utterly reject to return back to the land where they lived only 50 years before, namely, in 1917 c.e. Why? Because if they agree to do so, they have to settle back in Iraq, Syria, Arabia, Libya, Egypt... and only a handful Arabs would remain in Israel (by Israel is intended the whole Land between the Yarden River and the Mediterranean Sea, plus the Golan region). It is thoroughly documented that the first inhabitants of Eretz Yisrael after some centuries were the Jewish pioneers, and not the Arabs Palestinians.
According to Baruch Kimmerling (an Israeli, but who was critical about the Israeli state), the population in Palestine in 1882 was about 320.000 of which 25.000 were Jewish. But in general, it's very hard to find more or less reliable data.
If you want to talk about descendants, absolutely most Jews living in israel are (eastern) European descendants and also northern Africa (and I'm not talking about 50 or 100 years but centuries) :/ Just look at Jewish surnames and you know enough.
So as Levitate also wrote, even less Jews would remain in israel if you want to look at it that way.
So as Levitate also wrote, even less Jews would remain in israel if you want to look at it that way.
About future, its too hard to predict anything. I just hope. I hope that EU will work more on what is good for economy than what is good lobbyists. I hope that USA will remain interventionist and democratic. I hope that China, Russia and Arabs will stay rational, hopefully slowly joining West. If it will be this direction and Japanese will stop killing whales and doplhins I will be fully happy:D
About self-determination and nations discussion... There is something as legitimacy and all nationalist, legal, religious or liberty claims are just parts of it. People decide what is right and wrong, there are not any formulas or patterns...and it realy doesnt matter if its 20th century or 10th century. If you think that you as mighty king in middle-ages just occupied any land and it was considered as legitimate, you are wrong. There are just different measures.
About self-determination and nations discussion... There is something as legitimacy and all nationalist, legal, religious or liberty claims are just parts of it. People decide what is right and wrong, there are not any formulas or patterns...and it realy doesnt matter if its 20th century or 10th century. If you think that you as mighty king in middle-ages just occupied any land and it was considered as legitimate, you are wrong. There are just different measures.
If you want to talk about descendants, absolutely most Jews living in israel are (eastern) European descendants and also northern Africa (and I'm not talking about 50 or 100 years but centuries) :/ Just look at Jewish surnames and you know enough.
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And how did they get to those countries? where from?
Alhambra_Decree
I must admit that I don't care to get a proporty in Barcelona or Madrid :)
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And how did they get to those countries? where from?
Alhambra_Decree
I must admit that I don't care to get a proporty in Barcelona or Madrid :)
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Lets see how far back we must go :P
You were the one that talk about centeries :)
As Levitate as already said, this all posts is so Irrelevant,
Israel will keep and doing what is good for her personal interests, while all of the rest can keep screaming and cry :)
As Levitate as already said, this all posts is so Irrelevant,
Israel will keep and doing what is good for her personal interests, while all of the rest can keep screaming and cry :)
Yeh, you can twist the meaning of my post if you like, but your post won't make more sense because of that :/
And the balance is shifting, not only in your neighbor countries but world wide, and in the end what looked like the best personal interests will back fire on your country and you will become more and more isolated from the world and find less and less support. The new status of Palestina is prove of that shifting balance.
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And the balance is shifting, not only in your neighbor countries but world wide, and in the end what looked like the best personal interests will back fire on your country and you will become more and more isolated from the world and find less and less support. The new status of Palestina is prove of that shifting balance.
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Israel will keep and doing what is good for her personal interests, while all of the rest can keep screaming and cry :)
And the Palestinians suffering. Your smile is totally inappropriate.
And the Palestinians suffering. Your smile is totally inappropriate.
Whose fault is it, Hamas', or Israel's?
Both sides (and with Israeli's, you mean the Israeli government I assume).