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Haven't seen any dutchies in the libyan sky lately ;)

We wait, this isn't dangerous enough for the Dutch troops. Others are much more happy to go, looks like some can't even wait ... we let them ;D

Besides, the Dutch already paid enough to help Afganistan. Many aren't there to help - oohohooh maybe the soldiers get durty or even shot at ;P - So we have to go again ;)
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good night

finally!
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Thx God

:-DD

different view on Libya and current problem ...
and some differences between facts and media news ... brainwashing ...


1. Official news are saying that in the Libya is about 30% of unemployment.
So why thousands of foreigners which are in Libya and work there are leaving that country? How can work so much foreigners in such a poor country, where is 30%! unemployment :-) ?

btw, nice graph, old couple of years, but it seems very good graph :-D
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ly&v=74

that was US media.. and wiki tell us what ?
Unemployment 10% (2009)



2. Al kaida
Most of world media confirm that at Libya is now operating Al Kaida.
So, why is so hard to believe that Al Kaida is connected or maybe co-author of that "civil rebellions" ?
Or, what are there doing Al Kaida... maybe vacation ?



3. funny media news are telling us, that Libya is poor country, people there have bad condition for live etc...
GDP of Libya is 6000 USD per person.
GDP growth 10.6% (2010)


hm... really poor country people is willing to make rebellions :-D




somebody will tell.. it is just OIL..ok look on services share :-)
GDP by sector agriculture (7.6%), industry (49.9%), services (42.5%)



4. This is really fun !
19.3.2003 started invasion in IRAK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

19.3.2011 started attacks in Libya.

This is really random :-DDDD ???????????


5. what kind of country is Libya really.... that need rebellions for glory US democracy ?
Every Libyan has secured a free (and often excellent) educational, medical and health care. New schools and hospitals are impressive by any international standards. Libyan all have their own house or apartment, car, TV, video and phone.

The whole country runs a large housing development. Apartments for rent is for free!!!!!!

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I want make rebellions there too, they have too good life according to my region !! Kill them all!



6.Africa

Kaddafi are trying to make Africa united, he wants to Africa became strong region equivalent to EU or Asia and so... he hate that Africa is like modern slave continent abused for their natural resources!

maybe this is first reason for attacks ?? and oil of Libya will just pay cost of war of "civilized" countries ?





I give you some links, but study facts yourself please !!! and then read again your national media and try find against who are Kaddafi fighting and against who are EU and US fighting... try open your eyes according to FACTs, not just by reading your funny media which are going to brainwashed you.

If that country is that great, move to it I would say ;)

1. First of all, this is completely irrelevant. However, why shouldn't it be possible to work there as a foreigner for lobbying and for oil exploitation when there is an unemployment rate of 30%?

2. I really don't understand what you mean with the part about Al Qaeda.

3. GDP and GDP per capita don't make the civilians less poorer. Gini-coefficient is also important to measure wealth.

4. Total crap and you know it.

5. So I guess you've been there? We had reports about locals saying Kadhaffi promises things, but never gives it to the people. You really believe every Libyan has his own tv, house, car, ... What a wonderful country! Oh wait, it's all imaginary.

6. United Africa is good, but at the moment they can never be a key player like Asia, Europe or North-America.

But I laughed most with the fact you ask us to study facts, and most of your POV is pure speculation. Well done.

Be serious or get out. Thank you.

1. First of all, this is completely irrelevant. However, why shouldn't it be possible to work there as a foreigner for lobbying and for oil exploitation when there is an unemployment rate of 30%?

wiki is answer... 10% and not 30%.. this is just brainwashing by media and of course there work foreigners.. with 10% unemployment it is of course more real

2. I really don't understand what you mean with the part about Al Qaeda.
that this is maybe not some "civil rebellions" just CIA rebelions with Al qaeda support... yes of course, USA hat Al Qaeda and 911 was real, no fake attacks :-DD

3. GDP and GDP per capita don't make the civilians less poorer. Gini-coefficient is also important to measure wealth.
That GDP has 40% share in services.. that is not just oil.. so I dont understand this. Ok, you must find argument why this is bad fact :-)

4. Total crap and you know it.
that two dates are not true or what ?? it is random ? can be... :-)

5. So I guess you've been there? We had reports about locals saying Kadhaffi promises things, but never gives it to the people. You really believe every Libyan has his own tv, house, car, ... What a wonderful country! Oh wait, it's all imaginary.
nobody in various world media say that this is fake information.. try argument that it is fake, thx

6. United Africa is good, but at the moment they can never be a key player like Asia, Europe or North-America.
agree, they can not, we will stop that activities by our army :-D



I tried give you link from wiki and another media... is there some fake information.. which one.. ?
If yes I would be glad to correct this :-)

wiki is answer... 10% and not 30%.. this is just brainwashing by media and of course there work foreigners.. with 10% unemployment it is of course more real

Of course Wiki ain't the answer. That is not what I call a good source. And I really don't get why foreigners couldn't work there if unemployment was 30%. Even if it would be over 50%. Why is that?

that this is maybe not some "civil rebellions" just CIA rebelions with Al qaeda support... yes of course, USA hat Al Qaeda and 911 was real, no fake attacks :-DD

Once again, pure speculation. Let's keep it to facts.

That GDP has 40% share in services.. that is not just oil.. so I dont understand this. Ok, you must find argument why this is bad fact :-)

I never said a high GDP is bad ... stop changing my words. I said this (high GDP) doesn't show it all. Mind Gini.

that two dates are not true or what ?? it is random ? can be... :-)

Yes, random. Not going further on this.

nobody in various world media say that this is fake information.. try argument that it is fake, thx

No, you have to argument that it's true. That's the beginning of all discussions. When you say something (you said everyone had a car etc.), you have to prove it. Otherwise the discussion won't last very long. For instance: I say I'm Jesus himself. You disagree? Okay, prove that I'm not Jesus.

agree, they can not, we will stop that activities by our army :-D

Total crap, again. You have a lot of it. A lot.

wiki is shit, national bulvar media are better...ok, I dont want react on this more.

that this is maybe not some "civil rebellions" just CIA rebelions with Al qaeda support... yes of course, USA hat Al Qaeda and 911 was real, no fake attacks :-DD
OK, this kind of fact is nobody able to show, it is secret and you know it... so my question, what is doing al qaeda there ? As I asked in first post, vacation ? or what, tell me !

I never said a high GDP is bad ... stop changing my words. I said this (high GDP) doesn't show it all. Mind Gini.
Read it once more time... !! I not said just "high GDP".. i told you that it is not just oil but also services,, it is like european country where services has big share !!!!
YOU ARE READING WHAT YOU WANT.... sorry but a bit brainwashed !! really sorry that i must tell this to you, but you are not able accept any other opinions also with some maybe weak facts and you give me just media answer..thx, this in really not good for good discussion.


that two dates are not true or what ?? it is random ? can be... :-)

Yes, random. Not going further on this.

maybe... :-) maybe just they want it as symbol :-DD but yes, I dont know, but really big random !!



nobody in various world media say that this is fake information.. try argument that it is fake, thx

No, you have to argument that it's true. That's the beginning of all discussions. When you say something (you said everyone had a car etc.), you have to prove it. Otherwise the discussion won't last very long. For instance: I say I'm Jesus himself. You disagree? Okay, prove that I'm not Jesus.

really ? So to prove I must save money for flight to Libyia to prove it or what ? I thought that this is the less important "fact" according to previous problems :-) ok.. how can I prove it ? Because some countries are attacking there now... not possible, I must wait till Sarkozy will get more votes in election estimates... :-(



crap is that you dont want read or accept any other idea/opinion and on relevant information you will answer "it is crap" :-)

good night
(and others can answer as usual thx, god :-D )

Good night, not gonna answer your 'thinking' - although it doesn't deserve that name - anymore. We're talking next to each other, no point in doing that.
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It is smart not to eat every thing the media tells you, most of the news you hear are influenced by pressure groups and opinions held by media executives. Still you cant ignore facts, Libyans live under a monarchy which solely cares for their own tribe.
Arab countries like Libya their GDP and other statistics which you see as important when you live in a European country isnt important at all. Important facts are average income, and consumption of goods. Do they buy bread and low value goods or do they buy cars and good stuff. I would add you should check how much of oil money goes back to the citizens and how much ends up at already rich ruling family and close control group.
Lastly, if you live in a country where the mere thought of expressing your self sounds impossible, thats the most important thing. Even though I am saying that with a liberal eyes, most Muslims citizens only go to demonstrate when their living situations in unbearable. All of tremors happened lately in the middle east are the direct result of prices rising on low valued commodities such as bread, flower and so on. Egypt regime fell because of that sames goes for Tunis.
Do you think USA and Europe where involved in the civil revolt there as well?

If it was possible, most of Arab nations would change to democracies. Problem is, every time a change to that direction started, one group took charge. Hamas, Iran and Egypt before this last revolt is a very good examples.
They dont see human rights as old democracies see it, just look how Qaddafi bombed civilians, even better, look how Syria are handling their situations. Facebook blackout most of Internet is completely shut down, all to make sure civilians cant demonstrate and group together.

I havent even started speaking about women rights which is at such a pathetic state, women are forced to wear Burks, cant go out, work properly and the list keeps on.


Only argument I can understand is that we should let them work out their own way to a more free and liberal regime, it took Europe 2,500 years since first notion of democracy came to place at ancient Greece and when it is fully developed to the state when none of us will agree to live under any other regime.
Dont forget, real democracies are some of a new idea, existing 400 years at best.

At first... I must say, you are able to make discussion, not just blaming that who has different opinions not have brain..thx

Do you think USA and Europe where involved in the civil revolt there as well?
No, I told it. rebellions and Egypt was quite different (I support it), we can see on youtube a lot of videos where civilians were protesting and thousands...not just couple of tens with arms and tanks as you can see on youtube now. I just told, Libya is obviously different case...


If it was possible, most of Arab nations would change to democracies.
I dont think, for example in Libya are very small groups which every one want just take power to its hand, all of this groups have weapons, so there is really not possible democracy, but monarchy is very good. Of course, they need better leader than Kaddafi is , maybe...but it is their internal problems.



They dont see human rights as old democracies see it, just look how Qaddafi bombed civilians,
I think you can read everywhere that rebels or maybe some members of Al Quada also have civilian clothes, so it is very hard to know who is civilian and who not... I can not understand reason, why Kaddafi is killing normal civilians and not just rebels...



I havent even started speaking about women rights which is at such a pathetic state, women are forced to wear Burks, cant go out, work properly and the list keeps on.
Sorry but this is culture and religion I can not understand too why homosexual can have child in their "family" Homosexuality is normal, and they should have right for living as partners but I am against they can have child at home. And now what, should I call for attacking such a countries ??
we can not understand their culture and please dont say that US culture is the best one and we should spread it to all arabian states :-(


UNO resolution
We attacking countries violate UNO resolution ? If everybody is doing what he want against what UNO allows, why we have UNO ??


thx for your opinion.

It is not easy for us to understand with our eyes how Arab nations operate.
Example for that is how Hafez el Asad, wiped out the city of hammet at the uprising of 1980's, killing thousands at the process.

The big difference why you see violence at Libya and you didnt see it in Tunis and Egypt is because their leaders look to the west, but not only because of that. Power of the government at Egypt was based upon the military, which in turn based his power on the people. Egypt has 3 years mandatory army recruit, which means the army firstly belong to the people. More than that, Egypt is much more modern, in their style of life than Libya.
About Tunis my knowledge isnt extensive therefore I dont want to be wrong about there, but I could tell you that its a modern country, burks are rarely seen in Tunis, specially at the cities which hold most of uprisings. Their tourism is far and great, which brings progress and the understanding, governments cant slay their own people.

Most arab countries unlike Libya, arent tribe based countries and have a majority which doesnt always rule.

Gay rights: I think when history will judge us 200-300 hundred years from now, they will look at us as history looks at USA in the years of racism and the oppression of slaves and African-Americans.
It was only 50 years ago and their situation isnt good yet.

One thing I agree with you, UNO, and any other UN organization base its decisions on pressure groups, and most of it is based on oil assets, and there is rarely a chance for a decision based on real human rights issues, or other wise.
One of the big countries is selling weapons or technology to the country in stake is enough to hold off an act. You could see it happening in Iran's race for nuclear weapons.
Also you can check the difference between how UN is dealing with Saudi's invasion to Bahrain and UN resolution against Qaddafi.

I urge you to look up hammat up rising, which was wiped out.

As long as to sides are listening, it is worth the time...