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Netherlands won't be next. You've asked if Belgium was next too. Our economies aren't messed up like the Southern European economies are. Face it. It's your own fault that you get screwed now. (Yes, Euro didn't help, but Euro helped for almost a decade to ignore your true problems.)
Man, let's face it, you may read as many philosophy books as you like, but you don't get economics at all. OK, neither does el pupe :P
In any case, it never help to be cautious rather than stating facts when one is really unclear on a subject.
And pretense of knowledge is not the way to learn.
In any case, it never help to be cautious rather than stating facts when one is really unclear on a subject.
And pretense of knowledge is not the way to learn.
There is no point in being clear against el pupe. It's like explaining something very well against a wall. What's the point?
And the differences between the Netherlands and the Southern European states are clear. The Netherlands are a trading nation, just like Belgium.
Man, let's face it, you can deny my economic knowledge as you like, but that won't change the facts.
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And the differences between the Netherlands and the Southern European states are clear. The Netherlands are a trading nation, just like Belgium.
Man, let's face it, you can deny my economic knowledge as you like, but that won't change the facts.
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Of course they are different. So are the Netherlands and Belgium. In particular with respect to the housing market.
Not that I'm supporting el pupe's link concerns in any way. But even right conclusions can be reached through wrong reasoning/premises.
Btw, what on earth does "trading nation" mean?
Lastly, "fact" is a big word to be used carlessly.
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Not that I'm supporting el pupe's link concerns in any way. But even right conclusions can be reached through wrong reasoning/premises.
Btw, what on earth does "trading nation" mean?
Lastly, "fact" is a big word to be used carlessly.
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el pupe, for instance, did posted a graph with a (non-exhaustive) series of facts. I'm not sure what he intended to make out of it, though.
(To some extent, it is easy to present objective, hard to question facts, as long as they are not required to be relevant for anything in particular. Facts, unfortunately, are far from conclusions - let alone explanations.)
(To some extent, it is easy to present objective, hard to question facts, as long as they are not required to be relevant for anything in particular. Facts, unfortunately, are far from conclusions - let alone explanations.)
What could "trading nation" mean? We are every open economies (imports and exports are over 100% of our GDP).
What could "trading nation" mean?
Anything, until defined. It's not as if you were using an existing technical term or something.
(imports and exports are over 100% of our GDP).
Alright, so the openness index of both Belgium and the Netherlands is rather high indeed (above 100% seems a bit of an overstatement, but in any case). You can call that a fact.
Now, what is this fact supposed to imply for the present discussion?
Anything, until defined. It's not as if you were using an existing technical term or something.
(imports and exports are over 100% of our GDP).
Alright, so the openness index of both Belgium and the Netherlands is rather high indeed (above 100% seems a bit of an overstatement, but in any case). You can call that a fact.
Now, what is this fact supposed to imply for the present discussion?
However, the prices have been rising a lot lately. I'd say 10-15% within the last year.
that's the bubble growing..
in italy we had it in 2000-2005.
It happens when a lot of money are searching for good rates.
Banks have to find where to put that money, so they give loans to everybody.
The demand of houses grows and the prices grows with it.
when a little shock will come, some people will lose his(temporary) work, and will be no more able to repay loans back.
Then you'll find yourself in the spain situation.
that's the bubble growing..
in italy we had it in 2000-2005.
It happens when a lot of money are searching for good rates.
Banks have to find where to put that money, so they give loans to everybody.
The demand of houses grows and the prices grows with it.
when a little shock will come, some people will lose his(temporary) work, and will be no more able to repay loans back.
Then you'll find yourself in the spain situation.
Netherlands won't be next. You've asked if Belgium was next too. Our economies aren't messed up like the Southern European economies are. Face it. It's your own fault that you get screwed now. (Yes, Euro didn't help, but Euro helped for almost a decade to ignore your true problems.)
ROTFL.
I've never asked if Belgium was next, I only showed that it is not a public debt problem, showing that Belgium has a great public debt, but IT IS NOT in crisis.
Start reading before writing...
For the rest, about euro, "our" faults, benefits "we" had, problems in other countries...
I just sit by a river, waiting the time you all will see.
ROTFL.
I've never asked if Belgium was next, I only showed that it is not a public debt problem, showing that Belgium has a great public debt, but IT IS NOT in crisis.
Start reading before writing...
For the rest, about euro, "our" faults, benefits "we" had, problems in other countries...
I just sit by a river, waiting the time you all will see.
Alright, so the openness index of both Belgium and the Netherlands is rather high indeed (above 100% seems a bit of an overstatement, but in any case). You can call that a fact.
Now, what is this fact supposed to imply for the present discussion?
He thinks that having a lot of export means to not depend on internal demand and that it protect them from the problem caused by a loss of internal demand (a little shock or crisis).
He's wrong.
the problem northern countries will soon face will be the loss of exports in southern EU countries (their bigger export market). It is happening in this months.
Anyway Euro future only wait for autumn german election to find its way.
After those elections, the new German gov, will decide what to do:
-to give money and end with the austherity politic imposed to south europe;
-to get out from euro.
Before elections they can't say it. German people thinks its wrong to "help" (that's a repayment but their politicians are lying them since too much.. they will never admit it), and german politicians know euro is the best situation Germany can ever be...
Now, what is this fact supposed to imply for the present discussion?
He thinks that having a lot of export means to not depend on internal demand and that it protect them from the problem caused by a loss of internal demand (a little shock or crisis).
He's wrong.
the problem northern countries will soon face will be the loss of exports in southern EU countries (their bigger export market). It is happening in this months.
Anyway Euro future only wait for autumn german election to find its way.
After those elections, the new German gov, will decide what to do:
-to give money and end with the austherity politic imposed to south europe;
-to get out from euro.
Before elections they can't say it. German people thinks its wrong to "help" (that's a repayment but their politicians are lying them since too much.. they will never admit it), and german politicians know euro is the best situation Germany can ever be...
There is no point in being clear against el pupe. It's like explaining something very well against a wall. What's the point?
LOL
always avoiding an answer man.
I will not lose my time responding at your level anyway.
LOL
always avoiding an answer man.
I will not lose my time responding at your level anyway.
Now, what is this fact supposed to imply for the present discussion?
Well, think.
Think again.
Got it? The Netherlands are vulnerable to a decrease in demand for goods in other countries. So yes, the Dutch economy is not doing great. Not at all. But their problems are from a totally different kind than those of Portugal-Spain-Italy-Greece. Totally different. A cow can see that.
Well, think.
Think again.
Got it? The Netherlands are vulnerable to a decrease in demand for goods in other countries. So yes, the Dutch economy is not doing great. Not at all. But their problems are from a totally different kind than those of Portugal-Spain-Italy-Greece. Totally different. A cow can see that.
I will not lose my time responding at your level anyway.
That's not your choice. It's like saying: I'm not going to lose my time in beating Cancellara in Paris-Roubaix today.
That's not your choice. It's like saying: I'm not going to lose my time in beating Cancellara in Paris-Roubaix today.
you can say all what you want "it wont happen here", Mr cow
That is because, well, it won't happen here, as long as we keep the budget deficit under control.
you cant see futurewell, if you dont keep the budget deficit under control, it wont be your fault but anothers fault, the one/s leading this
if you keep the budget ... it wont be your merit, but another´s merit, the one/s leading this
as long as my previous phrases are right, then is not the fault of the common cititzen the situation of Italy, Spain etc as yoiu said before ,but of the ones taking decissions
About the future, who knows what will happen? is a matter of probability, but of course it can happen, i dont say it has bug chances but it can
What you said, is like saying "is belgium people´s fault", when you were invaded by germans in WW2
if you keep the budget ... it wont be your merit, but another´s merit, the one/s leading this
as long as my previous phrases are right, then is not the fault of the common cititzen the situation of Italy, Spain etc as yoiu said before ,but of the ones taking decissions
About the future, who knows what will happen? is a matter of probability, but of course it can happen, i dont say it has bug chances but it can
What you said, is like saying "is belgium people´s fault", when you were invaded by germans in WW2