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Just turn off your tv and read some real news.

Try to be responsible for your decisions. Voting in elections is decision too. If everything is ok in southern countries, dont ask us for money or dont ask EU for interventions in financial market so you can buy bonds below 7% :-)!

If everything is ok, dont bother us and try to live without help from EU. I maybe watch TV (cos I have money to pay electricity bill :-D) but I dont ask my state or another state to help me or to help my country !

You, the best economist on the world, should know that nobody can force you to take so much loans,


aahhahahhahhhah.
If you lend 10 k euro to a homeless.
surely the homeless has takn money he can't repay back...
but YOU have your part of responsibility in not having back your money.

What if the state come and make debt for giving back your money?
Who has the responsability for that debt?
both

Try to be responsible for your decisions. Voting in elections is decision too. If everything is ok in southern countries, dont ask us for money or dont ask EU for interventions in financial market so you can buy bonds below 7% :-)!

Who asked what?

Italian, spain and other politicians cried that they will collapse if they have to buy state bonds for 7 or more %.
But why they get so high interest? Nobody want take risk and lend you money, at least not for low interest according to risk they take by lending you money.

But you have our common currency so the rest of eu can not allow undiscipline state to destroy euro.

Eu should take away independence in national budgets. We have here states which are able damage whole europe. All states budgets should be under Eu controll.

Italian, spain and other politicians cried that they will collapse if they have to buy state bonds for 7 or more %.

FALSE.
No country asked for money.
Germany didn't allow any country to break free from euro. So imposed to southern country the only way to stay in.
German gov for example, with the complicity of our president Napolitano (never-elected) changed the Berlusconi's gov into a more "friendly" one (Monti, the tax gov).

Eu should take away independence in national budgets. We have here states which are able damage whole europe. All states budgets should be under Eu controll.

LOL, Germany shoult end to impose its currency and its interest on the entire europe.
Euro has succeded where Hitler didn't!

you still believe the greek crisis is a public sector one.
This is false.

This is the problem. You refuse to accept that there is a problem with the public finances in Europe.

Hehe, when people lose all reasonable arguments they start with hitler :) :).
My opinion is that gernamy did a great job for all europe ( eu,euro and so..).

And realize.that gernamy was attacking all slavics,.we were not friends of Hitler as Italians were ;) !

This is the problem. You refuse to accept that there is a problem with the public finances in Europe.

LOL,
I didn't say that.
I said the crisis is a private sector one.
Obviously if public come and cover the private's losses it became a public one too.
But its origin is private.

My opinion is that gernamy did a great job for all europe

opinion based on?
what kind of statistic or indicator give you some arguments to say so?

I see that "euro area" is the only one in the whole world where 2008 crisis didn't ended.

I see that "euro area" is the only one in the whole world where 2008 crisis didn't ended.

Big true, because Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Slovenia maybe... but we will, we have to help them. All rest of EU, every simple citizen will via taxes and state guarantees help to southern countries. We would just like to hear one "thank you" and not this stupid speeches about how euro or Germany is bad.

we have to help them.

stop, please. Euro "help" is killing our countries.
Anyway I can't understand where those "helps" are..
Italy pays to EU 8 billion euro more than what Italy takes from..

(you must stop believing your tv..)

We would just like to hear one "thank you" and not this stupid speeches about how euro or Germany is bad.

I would say f**k you! ;P
For the rest. I'll wait a couple of year when you al will realize it.

Italy pays to EU 8 billion euro more than what Italy takes from..

Incorrect.

2011: You paid 14,34 billion + 75% of 2,32 billion (1,74 billion) (customs and agricultural levies)
2011: You received 9,59 billion
2011: Net result: -6,49 billion

Source: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/content/20110630MUN23022/html/EU-budget-at-glance

Calculated with those numbers, Italy is the seventh biggest net contributor (per capita) of the European Union, after the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Finland and the UK, and just before France, Austria and Cyprus. The other countries receive more from the EU than they pay for it.
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that's the 2011 datas.. anyway the concept is still there.
Italy spend more than what it takes from. Where's the help rumpil imagine?


the seventh biggest net contributor (per capita)

per capita?
Do you know how much difference there are from here to northern country on "per capita" income?
You use statistics in a not fair way.

that's the 2011 datas..

Yes, because 2012 will be drastically different...

You use statistics in a not fair way.

Per capita contribution is the only fair comparison.